Truth and Reality

[Gem]

Originally Posted by The Eagle

hmmm....

integrity relies on belief of truthfulness though - it doesnt necessarily have to have anything to do with truth.

i like what you said though - a belief is an appoximation of truth.

I think integrity is the nature of behaviour and entails honesty sincerity and compassion, but it also stems from the word 'integral':

Adjective:Necessary to make complete; essential or fundamental


Synonyms:whole - complete - entire - total - full - integrant


In that way... Integrity refers to the 'wholesomeness' of personal character.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by bluejay

hope hath no doubt and doubt leaves no room for hope comes to mind!!! I see what you getting at but everyone just wants the truth and according to the laws of manifestation , the truth IS what we make it isn't it? It is hard to spot a liar and even harder to spot the truth? HMMMM....

That's very interesting, made me read it twice.

"everyone just wants the truth"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXoNE14U_zM

Originally Posted by TheHmanBeingnamedLogan

Real truth can only be discovered while in a state of high vibrational consciousness. There is a river of wisdom that flows into and out of all living things, I have come to know this river as the river of infinite intelligence, and when you elevate your energy frequency high enough anyone can access it's wisdom. It is where real truths are found again!

Why? Real truth or true truth suggests that an ultimate absolute ultimate 'truth' relating to the Cosmos exists. To use the analogy of an expanding cosmos 'truths' could only relate to the ever evolving percievers of such. There may well be a fixed stagnant cosmic state of truth far beyond our present cognitive abilities; however we cannot claim that that which we do not comprehend, in terms of any ultimate reality,exists as arguably we occupy an extremely low state in that which is unfolding; it is extremely egotistical to believe that we are very close to ultimate reality/truth.

2 + 2 = 4

There is only one answer and an infinite amount of wrong answers.

Truth is just how the universe works, It is simply the nature of nature, the eternal laws of the universe, and the nature of the mind which distorts this understanding from us.

It is false to say that truth is subjective, We all experience the same reality from different perspectives, Truth is just how this reality works, it is understanding of the universe as it relates to conscious life (us).

[Xan]

we can never actually know anything. we as mankind can never know truth. only believe in something that we think it truth. we believe so strongly in something that we think we know that we call it truth.

how do we get to knowing? logical deduction of experience? experience is individual. experience relies on information received from our senses so it is therefore flawed from the start


In the relative world 'truths' abound, some reliable and some variable.

However there is absolute truth... universal and unchanging.

You can't know this through any mental processes like beliefs, logic, learning, etc. as it lies beyond all that.

We get to this natural knowing through meditation, in the quiet open space within ourselves.


Xan

Originally Posted by Xan

[/i]In the relative world 'truths' abound, some reliable and some variable.

However there is absolute truth... universal and unchanging.

You can't know this through any mental processes like beliefs, logic, learning, etc. as it lies beyond all that.

We get to this natural knowing through meditation, in the quiet open space within ourselves.


Xan

a belief that there is absolute truth - is still a belief.

meditation is a mental process - for example what you "learnt" while meditating - you must be concious and thinking. what you "learnt" is stored in your memmory.

then what you believe is truth - is based on memmory. unless you have a perfect memmory then it is belief again.

there is no escaping.

Originally Posted by StrawberryFieldsForever

2 + 2 = 4

There is only one answer and an infinite amount of wrong answers.

Truth is just how the universe works, It is simply the nature of nature, the eternal laws of the universe, and the nature of the mind which distorts this understanding from us.

It is false to say that truth is subjective, We all experience the same reality from different perspectives, Truth is just how this reality works, it is understanding of the universe as it relates to conscious life (us).

let me ask you can something be true without it existing in "reality" - without it existing in nature?

When all knowledge is gone...truth remains.

Originally Posted by Shabby

When all knowledge is gone...truth remains.

does it? sounds like a belief to me!

its tricky to say that knowledge isn't truth. something cant be a fact - unless its truth surely?

one of the more interesting definitions of knowledge is "justified belief" - which i think should be the most important thing.

Originally Posted by The Eagle

does it?

Yep....and you know ; )