The Bliss, Too, Will Pass

[WabiSabi]

The Universe, Source, Spirit, Soul, God, or whatever you may call it, is completely neutral.
It is not associated with any emotion or experience or thought.
In fact, not only is it neutral, it MUST be neutral, as it experiences both sides of any interaction.

When someone loves someone else, Source experiences both the loving and being loved.
When someone murders someone else, Source experiences both the murdering and the being murdered.
When you eat a cow, Source experiences both the eating and the being eaten.

This is why an individual who has experienced Truth may have a hard time eating meat, as they realize deep within that although they may be experiencing eating this time around, at some other time they will experience being eaten.
An unsettling thought to say the least.

So now, if when you delve deep into Source, into Spirit, into Soul, all you experience is endless love or bliss or freedom, that is wonderful!
That means that liberation is near at hand.
However, that emotion/experience is not from Source, but from the ego.
It is the last vestiges of attachment left to be experienced.
If you experience love, then you are a loving person!
However, to truly attain enlightenment, you must release ALL attachments, even to love.

As many a mystic has said, "this too shall pass."

Wise words of truth.

[Jeremy Bong]

Hey WabiSabi,

The teaching of Buddha is emptiness (or void ). Everything will pass as nothing remain before and after. But is it true? For construction a building will stand there forever. For life is the life nature but spirit is forever and continue to live. Buddha should know that.

What Buddha is practicing for the mindset to purifying himself. NOTHING WILL BOTHERING HIM. What you said is living becomes nothing I think it's a bit misleading people as Buddha not explained to people. No body can stop time and no time can reverse either.

[H:O:R:A:C:E]

this is out of alignment with my feelings and understandings.
the bottom line of everything is not nil (for me).
Love is the ultimate motivating force... why do things except for love?

[WabiSabi]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Bong

Hey WabiSabi,

The teaching of Buddha is emptiness (or void ). Everything will pass as nothing remain before and after. But is it true? For construction a building will stand there forever. For life is the life nature but spirit is forever and continue to live. Buddha should know that.

What Buddha is practicing for the mindset to purifying himself. NOTHING WILL BOTHERING HIM. What you said is living becomes nothing I think it's a bit misleading people as Buddha not explained to people. No body can stop time and no time can reverse either.

Originally Posted by H:O:R:A:C:E

this is out of alignment with my feelings and understandings.
the bottom line of everything is not nil (for me).
Love is the ultimate motivating force... why do things except for love?

I did not mean to imply that Source is empty.
It is NOT.
Rather, it is full of EVERYTHING.
Everything that has ever existed, does exist, or will exist, exists within, as a part of, consisting of Source.
And that is the reason that Source, when conceptualized as a 'thing', MUST be neutral.
See, because war is not an act of love, but an act of ignorance, or an act of biological need, etc.
And yet even such ignorant actions as war exist as a manifestation of Source.
War brings about many things... love, hate, suffering, joy, all kinds of things.
And ALL of these things are Source.
Source does not judge, Source does not attach, Source simply is.

[Miss Hepburn]

Some of the op is also out of alignment from my up-close and personal
experience of the One Consciousness, God,'His' Holy Spirit...
whatever one calls It.

However, the Source is, indeed, impersonal, knows no duality, and at the same time more
personal than anyone could comprehend...as in, mouth-droppingly personal!
Ah, the fun of The Paradox!
I could elaborate if anyone needs me too....since God is my favorite topic...
or I could start another thread...given a drop of encouragement! LOL


Edit:You wrote more I see...
''Source does not judge, Source does not attach, Source simply is.'' Love that.

[WabiSabi]

You see, Source is relative, and is in the middle of all things.

If I reveal such a neutral Truth to a very happy person, perhaps they may call me a nihilist.
"You believe that suffering is a fundamental part of reality? How pessimistic."

If I do the same with a very pessimistic person, they may call me too optimistic.
"You believe we are not an isolated individual, but rather an individual point of an interconnected system that never truly dies? That's way too optimistic."

But it is just as to a human an ant seems small, and to a virus an ant seems big.
But an ant is just an ant, no more, no less.
Everything is relative, a matter of perspective.
And the same is true of Source.

For some, Source may be love.
For others, Source may be despair.

But if you want to truly reach enlightenment, you cannot simply experience Source, you must become Source. And to become Source, you must let go of such matters of perspective. To be Source is to experience ALL perspectives. You must experience the love and the hate.

To realize this neutrality is to realize the Middle Way.

[WabiSabi]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

The op also out of alignment from my up-close and personal
experience of the One Consciousness, God,'His' Holy Spirit...
whatever one calls It.

However, the Source is, indeed, impersonal, knows no duality, and at the same time more
personal than anyone could comprehend...as in, mouth-droppingly personal!
Ah, the fun of The Paradox!
I could elaborate if anyone needs me too....since God is my favorite topic...
or I could start another thread...given a drop of encouragement! LOL


Edit:You wrote more I see...
''Source does not judge, Source does not attach, Source simply is.'' Love that.

And you are beginning to see. You are Source, yes? So the love you feel from God, is that not the love of yourself?

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by WabiSabi

And you are beginning to see. You are Source, yes?
So the love you feel from God, is that not the love of yourself?

Honey, when my teeny drop merges with the Ocean of Bliss or
the Ocean of Nothingness or Brahma or the Atman, I will say I am Source...
till then, I want to taste the sugar, not be the sugar.
I am not privy to maintaining the 150 billion suns in this teeny galaxy,
let alone supporting the 10,000 full galaxies hiding behind my thumb as I hold it up to the sky...

Now, if you are experiencing yourself as the Source of All That Is, alrighty then.

I would like to know , just out of curiosity ...where you are
basing your words from...
where are your understandings coming from...if I may ask, with respect.

[WabiSabi]

Originally Posted by H:O:R:A:C:E

this is out of alignment with my feelings and understandings.
the bottom line of everything is not nil (for me).
Love is the ultimate motivating force... why do things except for love?

Reality is infinite, and there are domains of all kinds. There are domains of pure love, and domains of pure hate.
You should love because it brings you closer to a reality that you want to experience.
But every experience exists.

You see, reality exists as poles.
Magnetic poles, on and off, up and down, good and evil.
But both poles are fundamental to reality.
You cannot have an Earth with one magnetic pole, just as you can't have good without evil, or any notion of up without also a notion of down.

And Source exists right in the middle of ALL of these polar opposites, and as the poles as well.
Source exists as good and evil, and every point in between.
If you only see Source as good/love, then that is a good indication of your trajectory, but it is only half of the Truth.