Jesus taught--only the Father is the true God

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by kjw47

Coll 1:15-- the --FIRSTBORN -- of all creation
Prov 8:22-- Produced me( created) as the beginning of your ways( creation)

It says Jesus'--NAME--will be called those things.

No only God is not the only perfect one-- Jesus never sinned, ever) nor have any of Gods angel beings who still stand.

"In the beginning was the word... and the word was with God from the beginning,
and the word was God."

Kjw? Is the word wrong? Was John wrong in his gospel writing?

Originally Posted by Morpheus

"In the beginning was the word... and the word was with God from the beginning,
and the word was God."

Kjw? Is the word wrong? Was John wrong in his gospel writing?

Trinity translation error to fit false council teachings

Fact--The only word in greek for God or god= Theos--- the real way it is written in older manuscripts

In the beginning the word( Logos) was, and the Word was with ( ho) Theos, and the word was Theos

you see no ho=the---The God in the second line--plain god( small g goes there)--it was not calling the word-- the God---small g god carries the biblical meaning--has godlike qualities--this is why= Acts 2:22--Gods power went through Jesus---that means God did all of it--but through Jesus. Jesus could do 0 on his own( John 5:30)

otherwise the trinity teaching is this in plain English---In the beginning the God was, and the God was with God and the God was God.( with another ( HS) God over there.
since it is clear there is 1 God--its impossible for God to be with God.

Same here at Rev 3:12--where Jesus stresses 4 times to those who believe him, he says--my God 4 times in a single paragraph--but in plain English trinity talk= God has a God( with another God( HS) over there.

1Cor 8:6-- There is one God to all= the Father. John 4:22-24 is reality of a true followers day.

[GreenGazer]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

"In the beginning was the word... and the word was with God from the beginning,
and the word was God."

Kjw? Is the word wrong? Was John wrong in his gospel writing?

John's Gospel has been miss translated. there is no written word for "a" in the Greek language as there is for English in what "a" can mean in the English language. It should read "...and the word was a god." Just as the bible mentions that we, as God's (Jehovah's) creation, are gods. Besides, John was speaking of Christ's prehuman existence where he had no fleshly body so of course he would be a god "in the beginning". Christ was a perfect fleshly representation of his father for he was the firstborn of all creation and nearly a copy of him as I am of my Father. He was not his own Father! This whole trinity garbage needs to stop. You know who the first people were who believed in a trinity of any kind? It was the Babylonians. They spread this idea of triune gods and the Catholics used it to convert them into Christianity saying, in essence, "worship THIS triune "trinity" god instead so they and the pagans did just that, all the while keeping their traditions and putting a "Christian" spin on things. One example is the Easter holiday. Where does the term "Easter" come from? Why, the pagan fertility goddess Ēostre who is represented by the rabbit. Mainstream Christianity is unclean and has mixed with its pagan neighbors just as the Jews eventually did in the promised land. Coincidence? I don't think so. Its the same demons directing them back then that are directing this uncleanness right now. As Matthew 10:16 says "Let us be as cautious as serpents and as innocent as doves..." The serpent uses the same old tricks. We have to be as crafty as they are to avoid being ensnared by them.

[wmsm]

Originally Posted by knightofalbion

Love created you. Love sustains you. Love will reunite you.

The secret of life is LOVE

Spirit by definition created me. Spirit a term and reference of a human being;s own interpreted concepts. Spirit by real definition has none, for you cannot own something that you do not have.

Our life is an incarnated spirit, we know where we came from because of consciousness....yet the information tells you that you will never have spirit.

The information called LOVE is a human implied concept that previously was not named in ancient information and conversation. Modern language and self expression was taught to us as a use.

LOVE in scientific biblical or religious ideals is O with letters inside of it relating to spirit...for the concepts of science is creating with spirit and this concept of spirit is ethereal....the atmospheric condition used for the purpose of converting matter from a lower state.

Therefore the atmosphere...a higher state and spirit was used to change and alter the lower state .....matter.

L in a circle was given a numerical value, for it was evaluated as an angle.

Angel - angle

EL considered to be GOD by the ancient scientific review as a review.

O the circle
V a value
E a value regarding PHI calculations of spirit.

This definition has NOTHING TO DO WITH the human spirit itself.

The human spirit a SELF, who evaluated conditions that do not belong to its own person.

Science is not a condition owned by the human being, yet it is a condition that attacked the human being, for the human a spiritual self used self imposed evaluations that caused them to lose their own spiritual life, by removal of the oxygen and water that they considered as spirits with HOLY PURPOSE.

It is about time that human beings use rational thinking about the implied concepts that a human consciousness imposed upon their own selves and then were spiritually attacked through their own evoking of evil spirits.

They got evil spirits because they changed the natural spiritual condition that maintained their own personal holiness....THE ATMOSPHERE or HEAVEN.

[GreenGazer]

Originally Posted by wmsm

It is about time that human beings use rational thinking about the implied concepts that a human consciousness imposed upon their own selves and then were spiritually attacked through their own evoking of evil spirits.

They got evil spirits because they changed the natural spiritual condition that maintained their own personal holiness....THE ATMOSPHERE or HEAVEN.

I think where you and many here, including myself, differ is where we place fault on our current spiritual/physical condition. Some of us may have indeed evoked evil spirits and it is my personal opinion that some of us still do. Whether they know what they are doing or not isn't really important in the long run. I am sure some may know exactly what they are evoking. However, just because they were evoked does not mean these spirits had to act in the way they did. They, like all of us, have free will and are responsible to a higher power for their actions. What has happened to the human race is a tragedy and not necessarily all their own doing.

[wmsm]

Originally Posted by kjw47

Jesus teaches he has a God--his Father-John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- Gods word teaches it takes 2 witnesses to prove a truth--here are 3 real teachers of Jesus--Paul--2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28--Peter at 1Peter 1:3--John at Rev 1:6-- 100% in agreement--Jesus has a God like we do-his Father.

At John 17:1-6,26--- Jesus clearly teaches--the one who sent him is THE ONLY TRUE GOD--the Father sent Jesus( John 5:30) he as well taught --this means( getting) eternal life--their taking in knowledge( know)of you( Father) the one who sent Jesus as the only true God, and know Jesus--verse 6 = Jehovah, 26= Jehovah.

This is the bottom line reality of all truth--John 4:22-24.

There is no trinity god in existence-- trinity translations are filled with misleading errors to deceive--to fit Catholicism council teachings.2Thess 2:3--which breeded a divided house( 33,000 trinity based religions) that will not stand( Mark 3:24-26) Trinitarians are being mislead to fit this teaching-John 15:20-21)
Jesus started one single religion, it accomplishes this-1Cor 1:10-- they accomplish this John 4:22-24-- 24/7, 365

Jesus was an ancient spiritual male review of his own self.

JESUS belongs to the holy David PHI reviewed condition of spirit and spirit inheritance CHRIST.

CHRIST the condition of the holiness of the Heavenly spirit...holy oxygen and holy water. Holy Ox a evaluated Christ statement 1000.

A human male therefore told his own person as a cell function o GOD, the first reviewed spiritual psychic condition of creation that he used as a self explanation for science.

A human male used his own Christ consciousness to form evaluations of spirit to try to gain spiritual powers...being the creation and the original spiritual and psychic review for science.

Christ or Jesus as a stated spiritual review in the Year 0AD to 33AD made spiritual advices that he knew that GOD o his own cell was created by his Father...a male. That life and spirit itself was created by spirit....how organic life was formed from the presence of a Father spirit who manifested into organic life....as an adult or first human life.

His past life history which he was using for spiritual reviews as past life records also advised him that the first created condition for the cell was the manifestation of a male from out of light.

Yet we ourselves in modern life know that a males sperm with a female ovum creates the life.

This spiritual review therefore determines that our ancient brother attested himself that he was aware that spirit actually created his own life presence.

In 2 conditions of review, using his spiritual awareness and also thinking about science, he used his own spiritual self to make statements whilst also owning his own spiritual conscious awareness. Therefore many statements about science also involve spiritual conscious awareness...not science.

This condition when evaluated determines why it is that he attacked his own life via the application and condition of his ancient occultism...science, for he included his own atmospheric information interaction, and he was then attacked.

This is why occultism was banned through the Jesus Christ awareness as the new religious holy consideration of consciousness itself.

[Morpheus]

I understand what the Jehovah Witnesses believe, but their logic is faulty. If Jesus was not Who He says He is, His prophesied atonement for us would have no power or value.
If He were not perfect, He could not atone for your sins or mine. Only God is perfect.
Also, you are left to explain the prophet Isaiah's statement, about the Saviors description of, "Almighty God", and, "Everlasting Father".

He addressed Peter's request to see the Father by claiming Himself to be He.

When "doubting" Thomas" felt the ressurected Saviors wounds, he fell to his knees proclaiming, " My Lord and my God", which Jesus did not correct him of.

In His healing ministries He did not forebid worship directed towards Himself.

When John the revelator saw the glory of the angel, and fell to his knees to worship... the angel corrected him, responding not to do it, as he is a fellow servant with the saints.

John in his Gospel stated that THE WORD was with God from the beginning, made flesh... and "THE WORD IS" God.
Plain and simple.

Originally Posted by Morpheus

"In the beginning was the word... and the word was with God from the beginning,
and the word was God."

Kjw? Is the word wrong? Was John wrong in his gospel writing?

John wasn't wrong--- The only word in greek for-God or god = Theos.
If the word was God( capitol G) Then in the 2nd line in plain English it would read--God was with God---oh but there is only 1 God--proving --god( small g) belongs in the last line. carrying the biblical meaning--has godlike qualities--because of Acts 2:22) Jehovah did it all through Jesus( John 5:30)

trinity mistranslation is where the error lies--to fit false council teachings.

And this fact--In the OT--God was eternal king--- Jesus had to be appointed-king( Dan 7:13-15) for 1000 years--If Jesus were God( capitol G) then he was already king and wouldn't need to be appointed.And again, Jesus hands back the kingdom to his God and Father and subjects himself)1Cor 15:24-28)-------forever

[sky]

Jesus said " I and my Father are one "...

[Tristran]

In fact, does Yahweh exist and did Jesus actually happen.

For the Christians out there, ask a real delicate question; if Matthew 25:18 is true and Yahweh throws a hissy fit when anyone buries their talent(s); then why oh why has Yahweh done sweat f* all to help the poor peasants in many nations from not even being able to use their talents.

For some strange, evil reason, Yahweh has supported the evil elite in destroying millions of talents through greed, outsourcing and has done absolutely nothing about it.

Its as though, Yahweh enjoys watching peasants lives being destroyed since 2008 and before.