Observer vs Observed

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by heart

I know you were going to ask a question on this, its why I left it as a question for you to question.

Your choice of word 'belief' or 'believe' is the answer you are looking for here, I will go further into this in a minute but first this;

the answer is ego, its tricks, the smoke and mirrors it plays upon our hearts and minds, it creates belief systems that are binding and restrictive at best. When you begin to 'subdue' the egos attempts to beguile your every efforts to tame it you also begin to see others egos and the exact same issues they are going through, on a grander scale you also notice that there appears to be a global or world ego, what inner wars you have going on inward is a direct reflection of everyone's reflection of physical wars going on in this world today

can you see how important it is to still the mind, to focus on the tranquility between each thought, to see our ego like we were separate from it, listen to our emotions without judgment or concern or indifferent to all the things the ego has had us do/done as if we were witnessing ourselves from outside the box?

As regards the supernatural, we can connect to all and everyone using telepathy (communication or as a form of psychic attack) we can also astral project into another's body, we see ghosts and other spirits or entities just out of our range of sight some of which seem impossible to the untrained mind some of which are scary while others appear when we a distressed to help us in some form or another, ie. NDE, Near Death Experience where the surreal takes on a whole new and often life changing experience


To believe or belief (Devils Dictionary)

Is to lie to oneself to cover our eyes with blinkers and narrow our search for truth for example;

A be-lie-f is asking you to 'be' the 'lie' lie-f or lief literally means; willing, happy too, with pleasure, glad too

we are glad to be-lied too

believe or be-lieve, lieve is the same as lief with a slight change to it, we 'live' the lie

so...
We are glad and willing to live a lie when we believe or have a belief in, something or someone

when im asked if I believe in something my response is... I am, an open book to the all-that-is

I knew the answer to the question, I just asked the question and answered the question for others to read. I am sure you already knew that. So I you.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by heart

To believe or belief (Devils Dictionary)

Is to lie to oneself to cover our eyes with blinkers and narrow our search for truth for example;

A be-lie-f is asking you to 'be' the 'lie' lie-f or lief literally means; willing, happy too, with pleasure, glad too

we are glad to be-lied too

believe or be-lieve, lieve is the same as lief with a slight change to it, we 'live' the lie

so...
We are glad and willing to live a lie when we believe or have a belief in, something or someone

when im asked if I believe in something my response is... I am, an open book to the all-that-is

That doesn't ring my 'bell' - far too simplistically dismissive of the Power (for 'good' or 'ill') of belief and therefore an abdication of personal response-ability and choice, IMO. In this regard I resonate more with Don Juan's teachings (about believing, beliefs, etc.) to Castaneda. Quoting from https://www.prismagems.com/castaneda/donjuan4.html :

"I was told that the only way to succeed in that crucial shifting was by proceeding in one's actions as if one believed. In other words, the secret of a warrior is that he believes without believing. But obviously a warrior cannot just say he believes and let it go at that. That would be too easy. To just believe would exonerate him from examining his situation. A warrior, whenever he has to involve himself with believing, does it as a choice, as an expression of his innermost predilection. A warrior doesn't believe, a warrior has to believe."

There's more on the subject there, interleaved with a whole lot of other stuff, such as "Having to believe means that you accept the facts of something, consider all possibilities and possible outcomes, and then choose to believe in accordance with your innermost predilection. Believing is a cinch. Having to believe is something else. If you have to believe, you must use all of an event, account for all possibilities, and consider everything. Before deciding that you believe one way you must consider that it may well be another way."

A treasure trove for the curious!

[MikeS80]

The purpose of life/form/occupied space is for the universe/the infinite/empty unoccupied space to express itself through life/form/occupied space and to experience the universe's/the infinite's/empty unoccupied space's goodness and positivity while in life/form/occupied space.

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by davidsun

That doesn't ring my 'bell' - far too simplistically dismissive of the Power (for 'good' or 'ill') of belief and therefore an abdication of personal response-ability and choice, IMO. In this regard I resonate more with Don Juan's teachings (about believing, beliefs, etc.) to Castaneda. Quoting from https://www.prismagems.com/castaneda/donjuan4.html :

"I was told that the only way to succeed in that crucial shifting was by proceeding in one's actions as if one believed. In other words, the secret of a warrior is that he believes without believing. But obviously a warrior cannot just say he believes and let it go at that. That would be too easy. To just believe would exonerate him from examining his situation. A warrior, whenever he has to involve himself with believing, does it as a choice, as an expression of his innermost predilection. A warrior doesn't believe, a warrior has to believe."

There's more on the subject there, interleaved with a whole lot of other stuff, such as "Having to believe means that you accept the facts of something, consider all possibilities and possible outcomes, and then choose to believe in accordance with your innermost predilection. Believing is a cinch. Having to believe is something else. If you have to believe, you must use all of an event, account for all possibilities, and consider everything. Before deciding that you believe one way you must consider that it may well be another way."

A treasure trove for the curious!

Ever hear of Occam's razor? Where the most simplistic answer is the answer? The LOA/manifestation/synchronicity plays a major role in it too.

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by davidsun

That doesn't ring my 'bell' - far too simplistically dismissive of the Power (for 'good' or 'ill') of belief and therefore an abdication of personal response-ability and choice, IMO. In this regard I resonate more with Don Juan's teachings (about believing, beliefs, etc.) to Castaneda. Quoting from https://www.prismagems.com/castaneda/donjuan4.html :

"I was told that the only way to succeed in that crucial shifting was by proceeding in one's actions as if one believed. In other words, the secret of a warrior is that he believes without believing. But obviously a warrior cannot just say he believes and let it go at that. That would be too easy. To just believe would exonerate him from examining his situation. A warrior, whenever he has to involve himself with believing, does it as a choice, as an expression of his innermost predilection. A warrior doesn't believe, a warrior has to believe."

There's more on the subject there, interleaved with a whole lot of other stuff, such as "Having to believe means that you accept the facts of something, consider all possibilities and possible outcomes, and then choose to believe in accordance with your innermost predilection. Believing is a cinch. Having to believe is something else. If you have to believe, you must use all of an event, account for all possibilities, and consider everything. Before deciding that you believe one way you must consider that it may well be another way."

A treasure trove for the curious!

I know where you are coming from.....A person who acts like he/she believes is getting a reward from the LOA/manifestation/synchronicity. This method or technique of tapping into the rewards of the LOA/manifestation/synchronicity is for those who do not have perfect knowledge of the ultimate non-duality infinite reality or universe, the same way people use visualization techniques. Methods and techniques are for the arrogant ego to use.

Edited for spelling errors

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

I know where you are coming from.....A person who acts like he/she believes is getting a reward from the LOA/manifestation/synchronicity. This method or technique of tapping into the rewards of the LOA/manifestation/synchronicity is for those who do not have perfect knowledge of the ultimate non-duality infinite reality or universe, the same way people use visualization techniques. Methods and techniques are for the arrogant ego to use.

Edited for spelling errors

This means that methods and techniques are crutches for the ego to use, while the ego can use the most powerful tool that is between it's ears.

[Heart]

Originally Posted by davidsun

That doesn't ring my 'bell' - far too simplistically dismissive of the Power (for 'good' or 'ill') of belief and therefore an abdication of personal response-ability and choice, IMO. In this regard I resonate more with Don Juan's teachings (about believing, beliefs, etc.) to Castaneda. Quoting from https://www.prismagems.com/castaneda/donjuan4.html :

"I was told that the only way to succeed in that crucial shifting was by proceeding in one's actions as if one believed. In other words, the secret of a warrior is that he believes without believing. But obviously a warrior cannot just say he believes and let it go at that. That would be too easy. To just believe would exonerate him from examining his situation. A warrior, whenever he has to involve himself with believing, does it as a choice, as an expression of his innermost predilection. A warrior doesn't believe, a warrior has to believe."

There's more on the subject there, interleaved with a whole lot of other stuff, such as "Having to believe means that you accept the facts of something, consider all possibilities and possible outcomes, and then choose to believe in accordance with your innermost predilection. Believing is a cinch. Having to believe is something else. If you have to believe, you must use all of an event, account for all possibilities, and consider everything. Before deciding that you believe one way you must consider that it may well be another way."

A treasure trove for the curious!

Some simple questions for you sir lol...

Are you saying that life 'has' to be complex in order to understand it?

Does that mean your saying the opposite of simplicity is complexity?

Is it not the simple things in life worth having too?
Does not nature follow/find the easier path?
We plant a seed do we ponder over the complexities of how and why?
Life forever ebbs and flows or does it require immense effort to create every living thing?
Does a warrior make killing his enemy a complex thing? You like quotes... in Captain Millers poem "Theirs not to reason why, theirs but to do and die"

Is seeing believing or do you have to see before you believe?

bear in mind as I respond to your postings you are helping I understand what it means to believe.... so thank you for the opportunity to divulge

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

The purpose of life/form/occupied space is for the universe/the infinite/empty unoccupied space to express itself through life/form/occupied space and to experience the universe's/the infinite's/empty unoccupied space's goodness and positivity while in life/form/occupied space.

I 'hear' that you axiomatically 'think' and 'believe' that the core nature, or essence, of "the universe/the infinite/empty unoccupied space" is "goodness and positivity". I assume that your 'philosophy' (philo=Life; sophia=wisdom), hence what you do and say and thereby share derives from such thought and belief.

I axiomatically think and believe that the core nature, or essence, of Life (i.e. Creativity, or Causal Activity) which 'manifests' as a Process, or Flow, of Being and Becoming is "Love and Joy" so my 'philosophy' (philo=Life; sophia=wisdom), hence what I do and say and thereby share derives from such thought and belief.

You 'observe' and interactively engage with what you think and believe and I 'observe' and interactively engage with what I think and believe. My only (serious) quibble with you is when you say or imply that what you 'observe' derives from unthinking and/or unbelieving (and therefore absolutely 'transcendant'(?) Being which is not subjectively determined.

OOrah psychospiritually fully committed Fellow Being!

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by davidsun

I 'hear' that you axiomatically 'think' and 'believe' that the core nature, or essence, of "the universe/the infinite/empty unoccupied space" is "goodness and positivity". I assume that your 'philosophy' (philo=Life; sophia=wisdom), hence what you do and say and thereby share derives from such thought and belief.

I axiomatically think and believe that the core nature, or essence, of Life (i.e. Creativity, or Causal Activity) which 'manifests' as a Process, or Flow, of Being and Becoming is "Love and Joy" so my 'philosophy' (philo=Life; sophia=wisdom), hence what I do and say and thereby share derives from such thought and belief.

You 'observe' and interactively engage with what you think and believe and I 'observe' and interactively engage with what I think and believe. My only (serious) quibble with you is when you say or imply that what you 'observe' derives from unthinking and/or unbelieving (and therefore absolutely 'transcendant'(?) Being which is not subjectively determined.

OOrah psychospiritually fully committed Fellow Being!

Observing based on truth derives from the consciousness/awareness (not the ego) of the observed with a still or eased mind. A still or eased mind is 100% free from the ego's false beliefs, memories etc etc that are based on false dualistic judgments, so a ego-mind that is free from the ego's false beliefs memories etc etc that are based on false dualistic judgments can only know perfect truth about the non-duality infinite good and positive non-judgmental present moment/reality/universe, This means, the eased or still ego-mind that is free from the ego's memories, beliefs and dualistic judgments is able to unbelieve or deprogram or uncondition and you consciously replace the dualistic judgmental bad and negative beliefs, memories ect ect the ego has stored in its subconscious mind that are not based on the non-duality infinite good and positive non-judgmental present moment/reality/universe, with beliefs that are true, correct and that are based on the non-duality infinite good and positive non-judgmental present moment/reality/universe .

You are only able to see the truth of the the non-duality infinite good and positive non-judgmental present moment/reality/universe by having a still or eased mind and by not dualistic judging anything and anyone, including yourself and your thoughts while you are in the non-duality infinite good and positive non-judgmental present moment/reality/universe, This should be done the entire time you are awake, not just in meditation. Methods and techniques (as I mentioned in another post) only mimics this process. accomplish this by being non-judgmental in the non-judgmental present moment. Being judgmental of the bad and negative is what being truly subjective is.

Wow, I truly love talking deep about this topic.

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

Observing based on truth derives from the consciousness/awareness (not the ego) of the observed with a still or eased mind. A still or eased mind is 100% free from the ego's false beliefs, memories etc etc that are based on false dualistic judgments, so a ego-mind that is free from the ego's false beliefs memories etc etc that are based on false dualistic judgments can only know perfect truth about the non-duality infinite good and positive non-judgmental present moment/reality/universe, This means, the eased or still ego-mind that is free from the ego's memories, beliefs and dualistic judgments is able to unbelieve or deprogram or uncondition and you consciously replace the dualistic judgmental bad and negative beliefs, memories ect ect the ego has stored in its subconscious mind that are not based on the non-duality infinite good and positive non-judgmental present moment/reality/universe, with beliefs that are true, correct and that are based on the non-duality infinite good and positive non-judgmental present moment/reality/universe .

You are only able to see the truth of the the non-duality infinite good and positive non-judgmental present moment/reality/universe by having a still or eased mind and by not dualistic judging anything and anyone, including yourself and your thoughts while you are in the non-duality infinite good and positive non-judgmental present moment/reality/universe, This should be done the entire time you are awake, not just in meditation. Methods and techniques (as I mentioned in another post) only mimics this process. accomplish this by being non-judgmental in the non-judgmental present moment. Being judgmental of the bad and negative is what being truly subjective is.

Wow, I truly love talking deep about this topic.

The above is simple to understand, but it is not easy at all to do/act upon. You will struggle with your ego as you do it...But learning and practice is all that is required.