God is not in knowledge, he is in innocence.

[Thinker108]

We think, we talk, we debate, we decide, but our decision always changed by us than what is the meaning of all debates and designs. We observe, we discover a theory then we find an exception. What is the meaning of discovery? We know, we want to know, but our knowledge have limits and we don’t know the limits then what is the meaning of the knowledge. We want God by knowledge, but God is not in knowledge, he is in innocence. He is in the ignorance. Then what is the meaning os knowledge.

[Honza]

Knowledge is a tool by which we can enslave ourselves or set ourselves free. It is a method by which to gain power. Ignorance leads to impotence in the end. Knowledge helps us to understand the world and survive in it.

[Thinker108]

Originally Posted by Honza

Knowledge is a tool by which we can enslave ourselves or set ourselves free. It is a method by which to gain power. Ignorance leads to impotence in the end. Knowledge helps us to understand the world and survive in it.

Thanks for response after a long time...

Originally Posted by Thinker108

We think, we talk, we debate, we decide, but our decision always changed by us than what is the meaning of all debates and designs. We observe, we discover a theory then we find an exception. What is the meaning of discovery? We know, we want to know, but our knowledge have limits and we don’t know the limits then what is the meaning of the knowledge. We want God by knowledge, but God is not in knowledge, he is in innocence. He is in the ignorance. Then what is the meaning os knowledge.

So, several questions that come to mind here for me:

1) Why is God an entity?
2) Why is God a he?
3) Why isn't everything God?

I know this doesn't answer your question, but I wanted to get a bit more in-depth in the conversation before attempting to put fourth my thoughts.

With Love,
Spirit Monk

[Thinker108]

Originally Posted by spiritmonk

So, several questions that come to mind here for me:

1) Why is God an entity?
2) Why is God a he?
3) Why isn't everything God?

I know this doesn't answer your question, but I wanted to get a bit more in-depth in the conversation before attempting to put fourth my thoughts.

With Love,
Spirit Monk

Have you got these questions from my wordings? If yes, describe the lines from where you have got the questions……..?
Thanks

Originally Posted by Thinker108

Have you got these questions from my wordings? If yes, describe the lines from where you have got the questions……..?
Thanks

Hi,

Sure. All three were triggered by your comments:

1) Why is God an entity? and 2) Why is God a he? --> "God is not in knowledge, he is in innocence. He is in the ignorance."

So, "he" would imply gender (male) as well as an entity (a being).

3) Why isn't everything God? --> You say that god isn't in knowledge, but in two things "innocence" and "ignorance".

With Love,
Spirit Monk

[H:O:R:A:C:E]

Thinker108, I've read (and it seems a truism), that to know ANYTHING is to know EVERYTHING. The realm of Truth contains no doubt. Where I live, there is partial knowledge; contingent knowledge; suppositionals; if-thens and maybes. To get there from here requires a leap because no path exists to connect fantasy and Truth. [but then perhaps not (?)]
Acquiring more "knowledge" cannot attain heaven for us.
I have also read that Power resides in Innocence. This "rings true" for me. Ignorance is (generally) not a thing with "worth" to my thinking. [to be ignorant of non-existant/undesirable stuff is as good as ignorance gets]
Innocence is our "natural" state of being. Sin is a Lie. Those who insist on the "truth" of Sin are ignorant (in the "bad" sense). No penance is required for correcting what has not occurred !!
Spirtmonk, the construct of thought that i am employing of late allows for "God" to be the "male", "Yang", "light" aspect of Deity. There is also the "female", "Yin", "magnetic" aspect. Typically, throughout history, the word "God" referred to the "Yang" aspect solely. I sense the sum total of everything to be "Love". All portions of Love are loveable (of course).

I wonder. Using the male pronoun is merely convenient and not to be taken so literally. Whether God is an entity in the exact same way we conceive of an entity (is a quark an entity?), doesn't seem, at least to me, a worthwhile inquiry. That just leads to pointless theological debate, as does the question whether God is everywhere or nowhere or immanent or separate. Those were 4th and 5th century fodder for disagreements that completely missed the central messages that Christ preached. I don't mean to be harsh or pick on anyone, but the application of the simple but profound messages of Christianity is the the acquisition of serenity in the face of all adversity--there is always hope even as my circumstances deteriorate as they are most likely to do eventually.

And don't confuse serenity with mindlessness. My serenity is very much a form of knowledge, even a certainty, but does not mean I will accept the world as it is, in all its manifestations of hatred, greed, ego and destruction. It just means that I need not be frustrated or let that frustration gnaw at me if I cannot change the world and it races toward oblivion. The most important thing I can change and control is my attitude and behavior. That always must be my starting point

It is easy and quite natural, given our inquiring minds, to ruminate over these side issues and become unable to distinguish the forest for the trees. I make no claim to have led an exemplary and it has taken some time, way too much time, to learn a few important lessons about life. I wish I had understood long ago what I do know now: don't get distracted by digressions from the most important aspects of life. Science, philosophy, psychology, business, fascinating and useful though they are, are in no way the most important aspects of life.

I did not address the question posed in this thread because I do not actually worry about what God is or is not. I do not see how trying to answer that question will accomplish anything useful. I am concerned with how God is manifested in my world and yours. That he does so manifest himself is a belief held by diminishing numbers. That belief may one day vanish altogether. If it does, I predict the world will not be a better place, Marx and Nietzsche notwithstanding.

I hope I have not offended anyone. I am only setting out my own beliefs and do not mean to directly contradict others' beliefs. I do hope that someday others will see things as I do, but only because I believe they will be better off thereby. But if they don't, that is ultimately their concern, not mine.

Peace

[H:O:R:A:C:E]

davec: "... even as my circumstances deteriorate as they are most likely to do eventually."
I see absolutely no reason to give strength to this thought. None. There is no value in the deterioration of life. Life IS value. As God manifests in your life, you should recognise greater love and lend your strength to this -- not it's antithesis. Whoever sold you on the "worth" of death and decay (Marx?, Nietzsche?) gave you a bag of turds.
The law of entropy is NOT in charge of us. The "flow of time" is not strictly linear in the past-present-future sense. God is not limited to this construct and neither are we !

I believe you read too much into my statement. Insofar as physical reality is concerned, it is decidedly entropic and for good and very interesting reasons. It is that fact that accounts for so much hand wringing over mortality. What there is beyond that is an entirely different question altogether, one which I addressed obliquely prior to my reference to entropy. I have no clue how one would jump to the conclusion that I do not believe life has value. At any rate, that life has value is easy to say, but not so easy to measure. The sweep of human history demonstrates that in practice we are quite comfortable with the notion that our own lives have absolute value but other lives, with the sometimes exception of kin, don't quite measure up. That's just a fact, not a judgment or some mystical reflection. But we do digress once more, do we not?

Peace