Balance

[Iamit]

It is said in some nondual circles that the manifestation is held in place by an infinate, automatic balancing system. So it is never 'Why is this or that happenng' but 'This is how it must be for that balance to be maintained'. There is some evidence for a balance operating on our own planet in Symbiosis.

The implications of this are huge for the free will of the individual who thinks they are making choices based on this or that criteria when it is the circumstances of the infinate balance deciding what happens. This is profoundly liberating for it not the free will of the individual making the decision because the criteria used by the individual is only local and too narrow. This is a challenging aspect of nonduality for those who value empowerment and free will, but liberating for those who realize that they do not have all the data when making decisions. It may be this balancing sysyem is what is indicated by the ancient Ying/Yang symbol, and that each is the other and Oneness as both.

[Unseeking Seeker]

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Thanks for the post Iamit. Good topic.

If there is no free will, who is it that does the balancing? Or rephrased, when we employ the term ‘free will’, what is the fulcrum of awareness which exercises the free will?

Upon consideration we may see that whilst stagnating in mind-body association, resulting in delusion, the aspect of free will may be limited to choosing which polarity of flowing attention we prioritise. If it is the internal, we listen to our conscience and are then in alignment (or as you say, balance). No new karma generation.

The balancing based on karma is again free will, which we choose ourselves but now from the fulcrum of soul or spirit level awareness, one with God consciousness, so to speak. This is the domain of unconditional love. We see everything clearly, as it is.

Now, all being one, our free will chooses to correct the imbalance created by us by either repaying the debt of love, if so enabled or to spherically experience the same torment we inflicted on a fellow being, wherein our exit from the repeated cycle thus alternating depends upon forgiveness. As such free will exists and is honoured by the Universe ... the free will decision being at soul / higher self level, of which we become oblivious on earth.

Just as ignorance of the law does not exonerate a criminal, we cannot disown our actions saying that we were immersed in duality, encased in five sheaths and thus deluded. We always have a choice. External ephemeral or internal eternal. Love or lust ... Embrace or strife ... sharing or grabbing ...

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[Joe Mc]

I think it was a well known Non-Duality teacher who said, " act as if you have free will. " Does this chime in with what you're saying there ?

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

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Thanks for the post Iamit. Good topic.

If there is no free will, who is it that does the balancing? Or rephrased, when we employ the term ‘free will’, what is the fulcrum of awareness which exercises the free will?

Upon consideration we may see that whilst stagnating in mind-body association, resulting in delusion, the aspect of free will may be limited to choosing which polarity of flowing attention we prioritise. If it is the internal, we listen to our conscience and are then in alignment (or as you say, balance). No new karma generation.

The balancing based on karma is again free will, which we choose ourselves but now from the fulcrum of soul or spirit level awareness, one with God consciousness, so to speak. This is the domain of unconditional love. We see everything clearly, as it is.

Now, all being one, our free will chooses to correct the imbalance created by us by either repaying the debt of love, if so enabled or to spherically experience the same torment we inflicted on a fellow being, wherein our exit from the repeated cycle thus alternating depends upon forgiveness. As such free will exists and is honoured by the Universe ... the free will decision being at soul / higher self level, of which we become oblivious on earth.

Just as ignorance of the law does not exonerate a criminal, we cannot disown our actions saying that we were immersed in duality, encased in five sheaths and thus deluded. We always have a choice. External ephemeral or internal eternal. Love or lust ... Embrace or strife ... sharing or grabbing ...
through the mechanism
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According to this story the automatic balancing mechanism making decisions is simply a characteristic of manifestation without which there would be no manifestation.

Part of the balancing system is the individual imprisonment that happens because it is believed that individuals are making decisions based on narrow, inevitably limited, criteria, rather than the automatic mechanism. Liberation from the potential for guilt occurs when the latter is seen. This is disowning but our legal systems do not acknowledge it. If they did, persons would still be locked up for security reasons, but there would be no guilt attached. The absense of choice does not mean that persons would do whatever they want because it would always be the mechanism deciding. The liberation from guilt is profound for some.

[Iamit]

Not really Jo because the decision to act as though the person had free will would be made by the mechanism. It would only appear to be made by the person. The liberation from the potential for guilt would only occur if there was awareness that all decisions are made by the mechanism whilst looking like the person making them.

[Unseeking Seeker]

Originally Posted by Iamit

According to this story the automatic balancing mechanism making decisions is simply a characteristic of manifestation without which there would be no manifestation.

Part of the balancing system is the individual imprisonment that happens because it is believed that individuals are making decisions based on narrow, inevitably limited, criteria, rather than the automatic mechanism. Liberation from the potential for guilt occurs when the latter is seen. This is disowning but our legal systems do not acknowledge it. If they did, persons would still be locked up for security reasons, but there would be no guilt attached. The absense of choice does not mean that persons would do whatever they want because it would always be the mechanism deciding. The liberation from guilt is profound for some.

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You mean anyone can do anything and recognising that he is only an actor in a movie, he shrugs off his negative role and has a beer?

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[Iamit]

Yes, no guilt or personal responsibility whatsoever because the mechanism would be deciding and doing everything whilst looking like persons. This has implications for the spirtual search because all parts in the movie are being played by the same actor so moving from not realized to realized does not increase connection to the actor which is already total.

[Iamit]

Yes, no guilt or personal responsibility whatsoever because the mechanism would be deciding and doing everything whilst looking like persons. No point moving from the state of not realized to realized because Oneness is playing all states in the play scripted by the drama of the balance.

Makes perfect sense to me.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Iamit

Yes, no guilt or personal responsibility whatsoever ...

Each to his/her own 'taste'. I suppose. Since my personal philosophy assumes (i.e. 'projects') that every living being has a modicum of will-power and (hence) response-ability, this strikes me as being a willful 'abandonment' and 'abdication' of Life (Life, in my case, being another 'name' for 'God'). Based on what you said in post #2 above, Unseeking Seeker, I assume you can grok my perspective.