Zen, a practice without thinking??

[psychoslice]

Originally Posted by Xan

I want to ban all the preachers.

Including those who preach about listening, Gem?


Xan

He he, I was just going to say something like that, and there you were lol.

[psychoslice]

Originally Posted by CSEe

Thanks for understanding , perhaps for the very first time since 2008 and in this site indeed i have a chance to really discuss Buddhism and for that I sincerely thanks you all........just a reminder during our discussion I may sound " extreame" or " confrontational" or seems like challenging others .....I just hope you guys to understand is just part of my learning lesson ..........you all are always my source of learning .
Thks
CSEe

I think your, well, too nice, or are you being Snicky lol.

[psychoslice]

I just want to say that i think that there are some here that share wonderful inner knowledge, there is no need to call them Guru's or whatever, and two that come to mind is Xan and Tzu, i feel that they have helped many here over the years that they have been here, there is no need to be frighted of someone who holds a mirror to you, why not listen for once, you might learn something.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by CSEe

Thanks for understanding , perhaps for the very first time since 2008 and in this site indeed i have a chance to really discuss Buddhism and for that I sincerely thanks you all........just a reminder during our discussion I may sound " extreame" or " confrontational" or seems like challenging others .....I just hope you guys to understand is just part of my learning lesson ..........you all are always my source of learning .
Thks
CSEe

I didn't think you sounded confrontational. I though some others started pretending to be your teacher, then got upset coz you didn't follow.

I appreciate that you find others a source of learning, but it appeals to teachers who like to preach, and they use you to play the role of their little student. That's the game.

When you say all is equal and there are not students and teachers, I agree. And I agree with Shamans quote from krishmamurti too. 'Your own master and a light unto yourself'

[Gem]

Originally Posted by psychoslice

I just want to say that i think that there are some here that share wonderful inner knowledge, there is no need to call them Guru's or whatever, and two that come to mind is Xan and Tzu, i feel that they have helped many here over the years that they have been here, there is no need to be frighted of someone who holds a mirror to you, why not listen for once, you might learn something.

I think people say what they think and 'wonderful inner knowledge' sounds stupid.

I am the one who listens psychoslice.

'The mirror?' I'm pertty tired of that cliche.

PS, your post just sells the Guru Tzu and the Guru Xan. It's not really saying anythinfg else.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by psychoslice

He he, I was just going to say something like that, and there you were lol.

They know what I say about it is very real and raw, so come together in a small group to defend their position, and now there are two of you, but soon another will come.

It'll be the same as it always has been. preachers vieing for their positions. The little mirror trick has already been played... it's all so predictable.

[psychoslice]

Originally Posted by Gem

I think people say what they think and 'wonderful inner knowledge' sounds stupid.

I am the one who listens psychoslice.

'The mirror?' I'm pertty tired of that cliche.

PS, your post just sells the Guru Tzu and the Guru Xan. It's not really saying anythinfg else.

But are what you are saying any better, don't you see that you are putting yourself above others, but in a subtle way.

[CSEe]

Originally Posted by psychoslice

I think your, well, too nice, or are you being Snicky lol.

Well , I do not understand what snicky means but I do not feel that I am " nice".....just someone thinking of own death all the time .
Thks
CSEe

[Gem]

Originally Posted by psychoslice

But are what you are saying any better, don't you see that you are putting yourself above others, but in a subtle way.

I'll explain it.

One started saying that the guru knows the seeker better than they know themself. I know what is behind that. I understand what motivates it.

CCSe says that he was banned from other forums because the Buddist experts there got angry because he wouldn't follow. I believe that to be true, because he's not in the least bit offensive.

Earlier White Shaman was irritated because SF Gurus were clubbing him over the head with their lofty truisms from above, and I was there. He was right, I saw that happening myself.

I thought it best that the members knew that I could see what it was, so that they didn't become isolated under a swarm of 'all knowing ones'... because they used to do the same thing to me, so I know what it's like.

The thing is, I'm telling you, and others are reading it, and they'rwe forming the defences which justify thir guruic positions, thus I would need to be seen as delusional and have all these psychological things... but nah... I know what the thing is.

The firs trick is the mirror trick... I only see it occuring because I project it... then the more serious abuses ensue, my victim mentality, my fear to openess... and much more... Ans if it were true, if all the assertions the self asserted teachers had made were true, I'd be a truely certifiable psychomaniac.

It's all a big bag of tricks, man. Nasty business through and through, many can't see it , but I can, and I believe more and more people are starting to as well.

There you have it.

[Xan]

The one thing a guru knows more than other folks is what it's like to be fully surrendered in our universal true nature. Many ordinary people like us are coming to know the truth of being too these days, but true gurus sometimes awaken people by direct transmission. It's not something anyone could believe unless they've experienced it for themselves.


Xan