Why so much emphasis on being?

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Dr.Truth

What I'm getting at is I think its important to DO what we came to the Earth to do.

Deep down I like to think that we all have something which we feel is important to do.

Otherwise there will always be that nagging sense of lack of fulfillment which will eat away at us and compromise our happiness.

Yes, I think that's a good point.

The way I look at it is, if you play football as a bit of fun then win and lose is much the same... but if you really play football, a win is sweet sweet victory and a lose is crushing defeat.

[Mr Interesting]

Initially, let's go right back to before we get the spiritual thing, we kinda do the instinctive router where we just kinda fit in with whatever's goin' on but then our head starts to realise we can do better, be better and realise a potential more attuned to us... so we do. Our head does this for us but the more we do for ourselves, get behind this version of ourselves through doing and it's decision making our bodies start becoming part of that systematic change and our bodies experience tingles and feeling that kinda tell us our heads going in the right direction but at the same time hints that the body may have a bigger part in the overall picture. And its this body feedback, from thought and decisions made, that brings us more into the way we do as our empathy within situations brings a new clarity to what we do.

This is why the saying is there. We've decided to do the things we need to do for us and this initially is an imposition of sorts as we impose our will upon reality but as we do more of it we start to sense reality suggesting things to us that can only be felt within a certain way of doing. listening with our whole selves within doing, so the decision as to what to do becomes less important than just doing because within that doing the way forward unveils itself to us.

Originally Posted by Dr.Truth

:) Hmm, some interesting food for thought...



Yes, being is certainly a reaction and yes we do have some control over it but ultimately we want to do things and be in places that resonate with our soul. Thats the key, surely.

You also make an interesting point about denial. Just pretending we're in la-la land when everything around us is falling to pieces doesn't seem too smart. Denial and repression are like putting out fire with gasolene.

Dissociation is slightly different to denial...denial is like being in a room and closing your eyes - dissociation is like being in a different room.

What I'm getting at is I think its important to DO what we came to the Earth to do.

Deep down I like to think that we all have something which we feel is important to do.

Otherwise there will always be that nagging sense of lack of fulfillment which will eat away at us and compromise our happiness.

I'm not always happy, I have quite a range of emotions. But, I feel fulfilled by my life because it has been eventful and challenging, and offered many different experiences.

I think it is that sense of exploration that resonates with my soul.

Originally Posted by Gem

Yes, I think that's a good point.

The way I look at it is, if you play football as a bit of fun then win and lose is much the same... but if you really play football, a win is sweet sweet victory and a lose is crushing defeat.

I think some people are more passionate about life than others. Probably because they have a better idea of what's actaually possible.

Originally Posted by Mr Interesting

Initially, let's go right back to before we get the spiritual thing, we kinda do the instinctive router where we just kinda fit in with whatever's goin' on but then our head starts to realise we can do better, be better and realise a potential more attuned to us... so we do. Our head does this for us but the more we do for ourselves, get behind this version of ourselves through doing and it's decision making our bodies start becoming part of that systematic change and our bodies experience tingles and feeling that kinda tell us our heads going in the right direction but at the same time hints that the body may have a bigger part in the overall picture. And its this body feedback, from thought and decisions made, that brings us more into the way we do as our empathy within situations brings a new clarity to what we do.

This is why the saying is there. We've decided to do the things we need to do for us and this initially is an imposition of sorts as we impose our will upon reality but as we do more of it we start to sense reality suggesting things to us that can only be felt within a certain way of doing. listening with our whole selves within doing, so the decision as to what to do becomes less important than just doing because within that doing the way forward unveils itself to us.

listening with our whole selves within doing, so the decision as to what to do becomes less important than just doing because within that doing the way forward unveils itself to us.

But don't you think the "way forward" might be a different doing as opposed to a different way of doing it???

Because, in my opinion listening with the whole being while doing is only half the battle. The other half of the battle is doing the right thing in the first place!

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Dr.Truth

I think some people are more passionate about life than others. Probably because they have a better idea of what's actaually possible.

That's possible.

Originally Posted by Dr.Truth

Thanks for your comment Greenslade.

I like the road analogy.

Its certainly easier to have a pleasant drive on a good road than one filled with nasty turns, cracks and pottholes!



Ironically though I've noticed that deeply spiritual people seem to have pretty strong preferences when it comes to the physical aspect of life.

You're welcome. Each to their own though, if you like twisty old country roads then drive down them.

Most people do when they're focussed, perhaps Spiritual people more than most. Maybe they have a well-defined sense of what they want to achieve and an awareness of how their surroundings affect their Spirituality. Everything has to be just right - house, head......

Originally Posted by Gem

It's seems to me that experiencing sadness, doing foolish things, having a miserable time and feeling happy, is part of the continually changing experience.

And is Spirituality like looking out of the window while the teacher is talking? We're here for the experience that we can't have in the 'Spiritual realms'. No fine single malt in heaven? Bummer.

Originally Posted by Dr.Truth

What I'm getting at is I think its important to DO what we came to the Earth to do.

Deep down I like to think that we all have something which we feel is important to do.

We should listen to 'ourselves' more often instead of going down the Path we think we should be on. The Universe vibrates at many different frequencies but do we ever try and harmonise with the vibes? Perhaps that's the interest in a state of being, feeling as though you truly harmonise with the rest of the Universe. Whatever you do is Spiritual, whether we're going down the road of people with Spiritual interests or those who don't. Some people want to follow Spiritual pursuits because they truly have the need, but to force yourself into something because you feel you must? I think this is where the "Its far more important how you do something than what you do." comes in. For me it's interesting to find Spirituality in the desert, or create my own.