Why is 6 afraid of 7?

You may have heard this old joke as a child, but revisiting it with a knowledge of numerology is interesting to say the least...

Why is 6 afraid of 7?
Because 7, 8, 9
(or because 7 ate 9)

Lets plant this one in the garden of our subconscious minds and see what "aha's" emerge.

I was reading something about the different cycles of formation and the tree of life. Seems that 6 is associated with paradise, and 7 is wherein we lose paradise. The fruits of knowledge of good and evil suggest duality. Instead of everything simply being love, or god, there is the idea that there can be something else.

8 is where Justice occurs. In this state we have extreme rules and limitations because everyone is increasingly untrustworthy. It's not the way of paradise though, it's an artificial solution. 8 is the same symbol for Infinity, but it stands so that one circle sits upon the other instead of both existing side by side. For justice to be served, one side that is right must triumph over the other which is wrong. 8 is also a number of karma and transactions, not surprisingly.

Then we get to 9. The last number, paradise turned upside down. Here the lower pile back into the higher circle of the spirit world instead of spirit pouring into a circling paradise of matter. The qabalah article I was reading said that at stage 9, the energies had finally gotten everything right, but now it's too late and they solidify into a state of still matter. They are now "wealth" to be aquired as the ten of pentacles of suggests, but otherwise dead.

"In science we are born of 0, in faith we are born of 00."
Science must have an origin for all things, but at the foundation all we cay say is that first there was nothingness and then it exploded. By science alone, none of us should exist. When you start talking


"nothing" becoming "something" we invariable enter the realm of magick. 00 or Infinity is the equal and opposite extreme as zero, and just as energy is neither created nor destroyed it reminds us that infinite possibility exist.

So... two forms of "perfection" or "purity", the infinite light which is so rapidly changing so fast that it's like being blind in a white room, and the pure darkness of complete emptiness onto which birth is an action demanding the reaction of death. Without energy we cease to be, but without the material world, which begins as nothingness, we can't exist as we do. The masculine energy is solidified within the female and given solid life. Everything on high is perfectly reflected on low, and duality is everywhere.

[Deusdrum]

I associate 7 with the feminine for some reason. There are 13 cycles of the moon in a year. Moon also being a feminine symbol, and 7 is the very center of the number 13, with six on either side. Maybe that is why 6 is afraid of her.

Random number play, may mean absolutely nothing at all.

interesting... and no worries to one accustomed to thinking in parellels. We all have two natures, a rational side that doubts and an adventureous side that explores. As children we sometimes play pretend roles, like doctor or soldier, cops and robbers, but in the end those are just roles, and we play another game with other roles. A child does naturally what the soul does all along.

There is the realization that to be the atheist full time, or the religious fanatic, both are doubting a side of themselves. We are never entirely without doubt or faith, so the key to unlocking their purity is to experience them as separately as possible.

I remember reading something about 1,3,5,7,9 being considered masculine and 0,2,4,6,8 being considered feminie. Maybe thats why a lot of cheers start out with 2,4,6,8 lol


also... Pink Floyd - Chapter 24

A movement is accomplished in six stages,
and the seventh brings return.
The seven is the number of the young light.
It forms when darkness is increased by one.
Change return success.
Going and coming without error.
Action brings good fortune...
Sunset.

The time is with the month of winter solstice,
when the change is due to come.
Thunder in the Earth, the course of Heaven.
Things cannot be destroyed once and for all.

Change return success.
Going and coming without error.
Action brings good fortune...
Sunset.
Sunrise.

All movement is accomplished in six stages,
and the seventh brings return.
The seven is the number of the young light.
It forms when darkness is increased by one.

Change return success.
Going and coming without error.
Action brings good fortune...
Sunset.
Sunrise.

Yes, but 7 is prime!

[Spiritlite]

Interesting thanks.
Spiritlite
I used to say that joke all the time it's funny how out of the mouth of babes...

Maybe It's a childs joke for a reason...

Maybe 6 is a kids eternal paradise and 7 is the internal fear of growing up, growing old, being subject to the powers that be, and eventually dying.

I have always been fascinated with the biblical statement "death was only a result of the error of our ways" as if we would have lived forever otherwise. Notice that man is not even warned about the tree of knowledge while he's off naming all the animals of the world, it's not until eve is made. Maybe it's to say that reproduction is a form of immortality, and nature won't allow that which can't die to give birth. Or maybe, like the joke, it's just yet another metaphor for growing up...

Maybe 6 should be afraid of 7 given it's tarot symbols:

Qualities for 7's tarot symbols:

7 of wands
being aggressive going after what you want
asserting yourself
taking the offensive
firing the first shot
fighting
making your point forcefully
seizing the advantage
being defiant holding out against pressure
defending your position
opposing all challengers
combating criticism
refusing to yield
saying "No!"
resisting authority
showing conviction being sure
having a fixed position
demonstrating strong character
standing up for what you believe
knowing you are right
acting resolutely
being firm

7 of cups

indulging in wishful thinking creating fantasies
dreaming
getting caught up in illusions
letting your imagination run wild
kidding yourself about the facts
building castles in the air
waiting for your ship to come in
lacking focus and commitment
avoiding putting ideas to the test
having many options being offered many alternatives
facing an array of choices
believing in limitless possibilities
looking at a wide open field
getting to pick and choose
falling into dissipation overindulging
letting everything go
becoming disorganized
eating/drinking/partying to excess
neglecting your health
entering into addictive patterns
being inclined toward indolence
being lazy
procrastinating

7 of swords

running away shirking responsibility
sneaking off
leaving
avoiding obligations
being afraid to face the music
taking the easy way out
hiding from the truth
procrastinating
being a lone wolf feeling you don't need anyone else
wanting independence
deciding not to help
keeping something to yourself
preferring solitude
staying aloof
wanting to go it alone
holding people at arm's length
choosing hidden dishonor deceiving or being deceived
covering your tracks
maneuvering behind the scenes
being two-faced
seeing others take the rap
controlling without appearing to
avoiding a shameful secret
lying or stealing

7 of disks

assessing evaluating the status
reflecting on progress to date
reviewing what's been done
pausing to check results
making sure you're on course
finding out where you stand
taking stock
reaping a reward finally seeing some results
enjoying the first fruits
getting returns on investments
receiving payoffs
being able to let up a bit
reaching a milestone
considering a direction change weighing a different approach
pondering alternatives
thinking about change
opening to a new strategy
questioning your choices
standing at a crossroads

Is it just me or do the qualities presented in the sevens seem like how humans became right after eating the fruit of knowledge?

Phaedron,

A lot of those traits for the seven's in the Tarot I personally don't see as a bad thing. Not only that but many of those traits do not fit a seven in Numerology. Everything I've read in Numerology describes the Sevens to be a very faithful/religious number. Sure, there are negative traits with the Seven but all of the numbers have negative traits. Personally, I can think of other numbers in Numerology that I'd rather not be and Seven is not one of them.

[Spiritlite]

Thanks for this thread learning a lot
Spiritlite

[Xan]

It seems we have quite a different view of 7, Phaedron.

In my learning it is the mystical number, the spiritual path. In fact, 7 is my life path number. Perhaps this is why there is unconscious fear about it as spiritual awakening dissolves the ego self-identity.


Xan