Spiritual Frustration

[Moonglow]

Hello 45Uberti,

What I offer here is some advice. First take it easy on yourself. I say this with love.

If what you have been reading and trying to figure out in regards to what is called Spirituality, and it is causing more pain then gain at this moment, then I suggest give it a rest.

Give yourself time to take in what it is you have learned and if I may suggest write things down. What is it your feeling, why. What is it you want to resolve, how to do it. Be as positive as you can. (even if you don't believe it can happen at this moment). Just throwing to you an idea.

If need be seek out someone to talk to. Find things you enjoy and lifts up your spirit. Good music, walking outside, good movie, whatever you find a connection with life. This helps me when I feel out of sorts.

The spirit demands nothing of you, it accepts you just the way you are, IMO.

If your not feeling it now or getting it now or feel it is all nonsense, that's OK. You don't have to figure it all out. Just pay attention to what is going on with in you and find ways to be at peace with you.

Sometimes what one does not get or understand at this moment will become more clear later on in life. I found this to be true for myself.

I hope you find a way to work this out.

Peace

Originally Posted by 45Uberti

You know, I keep reading about angels, spirit guides and things of that nature that are supposedly with us at all times. I am starting to believe that is all a bunch of ****. If it really is true, then the angels/spirit guides are so powerless and insignificant that they have absolutely no impact on human lives whatsoever. Absolutely worthless. WHERE ARE THEY? where is god? I sought help spiritually very whole-heartedly, no one answered, no results, no change.

I don't believe you.. you don't ask and go unanswered.. that's just the truth!

All this statement says is poor me, I'm a victim.. you've been studying spirituality for 2 years..?? haven't you learned the path to empowerment is liking yourself..??

I know why've you've been failing..

Cause you haven't fixed the fundamental part of you that drops down to this..

I understand the blame game of "there is no god" he wouldn't leave me in this pain.. mentality.. he wouldn't allow "suffering" as another thread on here talks about..

But god did create this experience, you did choose this experience.. where's the responsibility.. in your actions and your words?

You aren't saying.. I'm responsible for this reality or how your feeling.. your saying everyone's to blame but you!

Take responsibility! Then you can be empowered..

When you take responsibility for everything in your life.. than you can be the creator you came to be! Than you can make a change..

There are a lot of people out there that kind of dabble there foot in the water.. (this is the way I think of them) they hear of a new diet book.. they try it.. and cry later "it doesn't work!"

They here of this thing called "new age" or "law of attraction" they dabble, they tried it, it doesn't MAGICALLY fix all there problems.. they cry "it doesn't work"

I could give a 100 methods or thousand you can pursue right now to make yourself feel better, to feel empowered.. but you have to choose to do them.. and you have to remove your expectations.. and you have to maintain a positive attitude no matter what..

That is kind of hard for some people to do.. but should you want to choose those 100 methods or 1,000 feel free to ask and I will share..

Originally Posted by 45Uberti

I curse all the angels and god with all the hatred in my heart because they don't lift a finger to do a damn thing to help anyone.

Have your pity party.. they only help those, that help themselves!

All your creating is disempowerment in this.. is that what you want?

Well, I guess so..

Originally Posted by 45Uberti

looking back all the effort i put into prayer and meditation was just one big waste of time and energy.

It absolutely is a waste of time energy.. when you invalidate all the work you did.. just like that! <snap of my fingers>

I know this energy.. feeling this way or choosing to head into the negative doesn't help you.. so why do it?

Originally Posted by 45Uberti

WHERE ARE THE ANGELS AND SPIRIT GUIDES? WHERE? WHERE? WHERE!?

There right here.. why don't you close down your negative EGO and listen from your spiritual body? hmm???

Why did you not listen to your emotional body? that fed you negative emotions as your wrote all this invalidation ****..?

For you have turned yourself into the negative and let your ego run rampant..

Back in the early '80's I was in deep despair too. I had graduated college and I couldn't find a job. I was broke and was quite disheartened. I found this book at the Edgar Cayce Foundation Store (A.R.E): Wisdom of the Mystic Masters by Joseph Weed. The book is still in print. I read the book and followed some of the exercises. One day I was laying on the couch listening to Stephen Halpren's tape "Spectrum Suite" Chakra side and meditating on each chakra. I nodded off. When I woke up, I looked up at the ceiling and saw a red ball of light. As I gazed at it, I received a thought "you are not alone". Stephen Halpren's Spectrum Suite is now Chakra Suite. Amazon has it.



I followed his meditation for a job (or anything really -- it was really the Law of Attraction) and visualized what kind of job I wanted. I wanted an office job. I visualized this regularly, I saw my desk, the computer screen and the files I worked on. I saw the basket that I kept them on. Before too long, I called my mom and told her I just finished paying bills for the month and I had $1 in my checking account. I simply couldn't live in Norfolk any more. My family helped me move to Richmond and helped me find an apartment. My mom helped me with my rent until I got a job. I found a job working for a lawyer. I lost that job about 9 months later because I simply couldn't keep up with the workload. I eventually got a job with Blue Cross Blue Shield, it was headquartered in Richmond. About a month or so later as I was working on enrolling new subscribers, it hit me. This was the job I had pictured so many times with so great detail.

Mr. Weed's book is still in print and you can get it at Amazon.

Originally Posted by 45Uberti

I am so lost and confused spiritually. I am so utterly frustrated trying to figure it out. I deal with alot of emotional problems for the past 10 years. I've become spiritual only within the past 2, but since then I've fervently and persistently sought spiritual help, consistantly for years. As I reminisce on the past 2 years, I come to a startling realization that nothing has changed, not one thing. I still have all the same problems and I've made absolutely no progress in the physical or spiritual realm. In essence all my praying, seeking, soul searching, has gotten me no where!

You know, I keep reading about angels, spirit guides and things of that nature that are supposedly with us at all times. I am starting to believe that is all a bunch of ****. If it really is true, then the angels/spirit guides are so powerless and insignificant that they have absolutely no impact on human lives whatsoever. Absolutely worthless. WHERE ARE THEY? where is god? I sought help spiritually very whole-heartedly, no one answered, no results, no change. Is suicide my only way to change and get help on the other side? I go through this all the time, and I'll probably leave in that manner eventually.

I curse all the angels and god with all the hatred in my heart because they don't lift a finger to do a damn thing to help anyone. it makes no difference. It made no difference when i praised them and tried to connect with them, in fact i think its pointless to even try to connect with these beings, looking back all the effort i put into prayer and meditation was just one big waste of time and energy.I believe these beings exist but they are worthless and insignificant to physical human life in this realm. I have alot of anger and frustration.

WHERE ARE THE ANGELS AND SPIRIT GUIDES? WHERE? WHERE? WHERE!?

Where?

In the very center of the anger and frustration! I know you never thought to look there........neither did I, yet that is where your answer is. That is why you have not found it, because you turn from the anger and frustration and reach for a distraction! What is your first method of running away? A cigarette, something thicker, a beer, something stronger, shop-lifting, something more exciting, porn or a prostitute? These are the Trickster Archetype taking over! No, I do not know which distraction is grabbing you and I am not judging you either. It is a very simple Truth!
No Darkness-No Light..............Know DARKNESS-KNOW LIGHT

You are experiencing exactly what happens in the beginning years.......NOTHINGNESS!

So now you have to choose. Are you are a quitter who seeks only power and leverage over others? Are you seeking for Egos sake or seeking for Christ Consciousness sake? You must choose.......
Suicide is a choice but do not expect help after following through on such a deed. LOOK AT THE FEELING OF SUICIDE AND ASK "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU?!" You are not the thought or feeling! You are the OBSERVER of them.
Yet you are trapped in the emotion itself and came to believe you were the emotions and the thoughts.

Some reading to help you see THROUGH the current turmoil:
"Man And His Symbols by Carl Jung"
"The Shadow Effect by Deepak Chopra, Debbie Ford, and Mariann Williamson"
"The Power Of Now by Eckhart Tolle"
"Teach Only Love: The Twelve Principles of Attitudinal Healing by Gerald Jampolsky"

The things you seek are shown to the pure of heart...........and they did not start out pure! They were purified in the fires of dark emotional states and traveling THROUGH them NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TOOK, No MATTER HOW DIFFICULT IT GOT, NO MATTER HOW HOT THE FLAMES!

If you fail 1000 times, GET UP 1000 times!

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

themaster may seem a little blunt but speaks true

being a victim of one's confusion and indulging in one's doubt
is not exactly going to reap great rewards, except maybe that a person will eventually get tired of being a self-indulgent victim . the universe is filled with compassion , and whatever torture it may be that we have to endure will seem like nothing compared to the love that we will inevitably find within.

Honestly, it took me a little over three years to start noticing a real difference... but it really does happen! It just seems to take a bit of time to really build a strong channel... almost like the universe is testing you to see how bad you want it.

But seriously, take a moment to see how blessed you are!

Feeling like you feel right now will definitely attract many different types of entities around you. Just send as much love and faith as you can muster toward your guides, and I guarantee they will respond in some way, if you are receptive.

It really does get better! =) I have been there, my friend. =)

Originally Posted by tragblack

Honestly, it took me a little over three years to start noticing a real difference... but it really does happen! It just seems to take a bit of time to really build a strong channel... almost like the universe is testing you to see how bad you want it.

But seriously, take a moment to see how blessed you are!

Feeling like you feel right now will definitely attract many different types of entities around you. Just send as much love and faith as you can muster toward your guides, and I guarantee they will respond in some way, if you are receptive.

It really does get better! =) I have been there, my friend. =)

Its just a state. There is no right way, or wrong way. There is only the way.

Originally Posted by Dar

themaster may seem a little blunt but speaks true

I like my bluntness.. but thanks for the compliment

Thank you everybody for your replies, esp TheMaster.

I didn't mean to turn this into a pity party, that wasn't my intentions at all to seek everyones sympathy and be babied. But I can see how you might perceive it as such. I suppose I just needed to let it all out, rant. Please understand I come here with an open mind with intentions to grow, seek help, I am always looking for guidance and perhaps even some acquaintanceship. Thanks again themaster for being frank, its not easy to humble myself and re-read what I've wrote in a moment of such intense and raw emotion, though it seems a bit foolish now to be honest.

So what do I want..? My entire mission for starting in all this spirituality has always been to heal my inner scars and traumas, to move on and explore my potential in life. It's been very frustrating.

I started originally as a christian (dropped that after about a year), before that i was a loser doing and selling drugs and other unsavory acts against society. i didn't believe in god or anything for that matter, i placed no value on mine or anyone else's life. A couple of events sparked a turning in my life and I got out of what i was doing and I have been looking for answers ever since I guess you could say.

Of course, doesn't everyone want to know the meaning to their existence? Why and how we got here? I don't know about others, but I'm a deep thinker. I ponder these things in great depth trying to fathom and understand, make sense of it all, sometimes I drive myself mad trying to comprehend the universe.

But basicly, to summarize, my goal in coming here is to heal, to grow, to seek help and guidance. And hopefully something good will come of all this. Please continue to share thoughts (if you have any) and ideas, I am here, actively reading and trying my best to take it all in and understand with an open mind.

I just wonder now where I go from here..

[psychoslice]

There's frustration, and there's spirituality, they don't go together.