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07-10-2011, 02:23 PM
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Master
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Originally Posted by Mathew James
imo, God should be remembered first and then praised for all of what God has provided to humanity.
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imo, "worship" is more the the worshipper than for "God". that which invokes my surrender isn't impressed with praises and prayer repetition.
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07-10-2011, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Internal Queries
well, i tend to believe more in personal experiences than in man written scripture.
being on ones knees is about "surrender" ... not worship. there's a difference.
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According to your experience, do you think a person who establishes a company like to be forgotten?
Do you think it is great to make a company without rules?
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07-10-2011, 04:43 PM
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Master
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Originally Posted by slave of Allaah
According to your experience, do you think a person who establishes a company like to be forgotten?
Do you think it is great to make a company without rules?
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company? you mean like a for profit corporation? or maybe "for prophet"? yeah. i guess one can view religion that way.
while there is no doubt that i am interacting with an affinity collective (whose rules are simply love and honesty), my relationship with the Supreme Whatever is entirely personal.
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07-10-2011, 04:46 PM
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btw Internal Queries, I would like to know the difference between worship and surrender, and whether surrender means submition as well.
Thank you very much previously.
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07-10-2011, 04:53 PM
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Master
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Originally Posted by slave of Allaah
btw Internal Queries, I would like to know the difference between worship and surrender, and whether surrender means submition as well.
Thank you very much previously.
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imo, worship is the projection of self and cultural glory onto a god concept via praises, prayer and ritual. whereas surrender is the individual's submission to Divine Circumstance (which worship mimics with symbolic surrender).
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07-10-2011, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Internal Queries
imo, worship is the projection of self and cultural glory onto a god concept via praises, prayer and ritual. whereas surrender is the individual's submission to Divine Circumstance (which worship mimics with symbolic surrender).
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I really like your distinction! I agree completely.
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07-10-2011, 08:03 PM
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Ascender
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sounds like word games
mj
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light is as a pillar on which is a lamp -- the lamp is in a glass, the glass is as it were a brightly shinning star -- lit from a blessed olive tree,
neither eastern nor western, the oil whereof gives light, though fire touch it not -- light upon light: The Light:35
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07-10-2011, 08:06 PM
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Master
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Originally Posted by Mathew James
sounds like word games
mj
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only if you believe that an external show of piety or petitioning the lord with prayer equates to the soul's surrender to "God".
someOne who is in the process of surrender will understand where i'm coming from
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07-10-2011, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Internal Queries
only if you believe that an external show of piety or petitioning the lord with prayer equates to the soul's surrender to "God".
someOne who is in the process of surrender will understand where i'm coming from
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Agreed. Worship keeps God at a distance. For some people that is what they want spiritually. God is up there and we down here praying, begging, groveling, and praising something far away and distant that we may never have a direct experience of.
Surrender is the active pursuit of God in a very intimate way. It brings God directly into your life here and now. It is incredibly intimate because to surrender means to give everything you are to God. It's done out of love and complete trust. Surrender is worship however worship is not surrender.
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07-10-2011, 09:05 PM
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Ascender
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IQ, yes many people have an external show of piety. But that does not relate to remembering God and praising Gods glory. I know you know that I know you know i know that.
Generally speaking, most people do not remember God and that is all God really wants from us. There are no physical acts required or external shows. It is purely a spiritual state of mind where a person thinks about God. Then if we are remembering God and looking at the creation God created for us, a person will generally be thankful and praise God because we see it is all part of Gods devine nature. And if a person is truly thankful they often can surrender to God.
mj
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light is as a pillar on which is a lamp -- the lamp is in a glass, the glass is as it were a brightly shinning star -- lit from a blessed olive tree,
neither eastern nor western, the oil whereof gives light, though fire touch it not -- light upon light: The Light:35
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