…and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

LisaLisa: Hitler was absolutely not christian, he was a pagan and he worshiped lucifer. He was also supernaturally protected from harm by lucifer himself. Satan saved his life atleast once. Why? Because he used hitler to try and exterminate the jews, God's chosen people.

http://nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

@ Bluegreen - You may also be interested in an old thread of mine (posted under my old ID): Shadow Self Information - it kind of relates to the 'void of creation' but within the psyche.

Originally Posted by Iku-Turso

http://nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

Hitler was a pagan, NOT a christian. How many times do I have to repeat it? He did not follow Christ! He followed lucifer!

From Wikipedia,

In a proclamation to the German Nation February 1, 1933 Hitler stated, "The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life."[

"The National Government regards the two Christian confessions (i.e. Catholicism and Protestantism) as factors essential to the soul of the German people. ... We hold the spiritual forces of Christianity to be indispensable elements in the moral uplift of most of the German people."

According to Steigmann-Gall, Hitler's reference to God as the "Lord of Creation" and the necessity of obeying "His will" along with several references to Jesus, reveals the infusion of Christianity into his thinking. Other sources also show Hitler's Christian thinking, according to Steigmann-Gall. He notes an unpublished manuscript where Hitler sketched out his world-view with similar Christian references, and he gives as an example a speech on April 1922 where Hitler said that Jesus was "the true God." Finally, Steigmann-Gall gives another example where in a private Nazi meeting Hitler again stated the centrality of Jesus' teachings to the Nazi movement.[17]

Hitler never directed his attacks on Jesus himself,[33] but viewed traditional Christianity as a corruption of the original ideas of Jesus, whom Hitler regarded as an Aryan opponent of the Jews.[34]

In Mein Kampf Hitler writes that Jesus "made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross."

I would like here to appeal to a greater than I, Count Lerchenfeld. He said in the last session of the Landtag that his feeling 'as a man and a Christian' prevented him from being an anti-Semite. I say: My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. .. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison.[35][36]

August 26, 1934 Hitler states: "There may have been a time when even parties founded on the ecclesiastical basis were a necessity. At that time Liberalism was opposed to the Church, while Marxism was anti-religious. But that time is past. National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary, it stands on the ground of a real Christianity. The Church's interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against the Bolshevist culture, against an atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for the consciousness of a community in our national life, for the conquest of hatred and disunion between the classes, for the conquest of civil war and unrest, of strife and discord. These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles."[54]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_H...eligious_views

Apparently Hitler thought he was a Christian...

There are many people who call themselves Christians...

[athribiristan]

Originally Posted by Squatchit

I would love to talk about the void more. I'm not sure christianity is the accepting section....

Can we move the conversation elsewhere?

I'm there. I've really been diggin on the Void today.

[athribiristan]

Originally Posted by Time

Great point!

Not to mention that the big bang ( god) was only a few things compressed into a super dence mass, that when exploded, everything interacted with eachother, creating matter, time, and everything we see today.

That w ould explain the ever repeating ( yet slightly varied), patterns. Nature IS pattern. Theres flower patterns, skin patterns, fur patterns, hell, our entire body, is created by some ratio/pattern ( golden ratio).

This gave rise to diversity ( which is a main thing in nature). Nothing in nature isnt diverse. Even identical twins have different variations on their personality, the same species of tree grows different then the next tree, even from the same root.. variation in pattern in nature (permaculture actualy teaches this to us, when explaining on how to create a garden that works for us)

Permaculture....nice.

[Asrais]

I believe I have experienced the void, as a child I used to have a reoccurring dream - well, I called it a dream because I didn't know what else to call it, but now I believe it was an OOBE. I would experience a falling sensation, after which I would find myself surrounded by nothingness - a safe, comforting type of nothingness:) I don't remember much else about it, but I know that I was able to induce these "dreams".

[athribiristan]

Originally Posted by Time

I cant call it "Astral and or OBE", because im still a bit on the fence about them, and, the actual feeling of it ( while it seems like i had no trouble, i cant really put it into words) was more then real...


" And seemed to be infinite. I was simply suspended in this blackness"

That was the same sensation I got. Even though suspended is still a vague term for it, because it was almost a part of me, which makes sence, concidering all the other cntradictory feelings i felt LOL ( how can you be suspended in yourself, cause im not talkin concsiousness)

I think the weirdest part, which i failed to mention, is that it felt like forever ( like gandolf said " every hour was like the lifetime of the universe", yet, it was so instantanious, it was faster then a flash of light....

For me it was as if time stopped. There was no light, because light cannot travel without time. No sensation, no experience, no thought, no emotion, no cause or effect; just an endless moment of consciousess. Time slowed....paused for one infinite instant....and then started up again. It felt other-dimensional, as though I had been pulled into a single point in the center of my head. Interestingly, the image that prompted this experience was being shot in the head in a dream. It was like the bullet sucked me into the Void.

Originally Posted by Iku-Turso

@ Bluegreen - You may also be interested in an old thread of mine (posted under my old ID): Shadow Self Information - it kind of relates to the 'void of creation' but within the psyche.

Iku-Turso, the shadow self you talk about I would compare with (the duality in) creation rather than the void of pre-creation. Your explanation was excellent.

I understand what is meant by the shadow self. My approach was/is different I think. I wanted to understand people and I wanted to understand myself. In order to find that understanding one has to look at one's self, at the reasons for doing and thinking something whether good or bad, at what motivates one. Without absolute honesty the effort is worthless.
Once there is a measure of understanding, there is also tolerance and acceptance.
From within without.

[Triner]

Originally Posted by LisaLisa

H.P. Blavatsky was an evil woman...

Silly me, here I was thinking you were telling the truth when you said you diidn't judge people. OK, I won't get fooled again.

Originally Posted by LisaLisa

Hitler was a pagan, NOT a christian. How many times do I have to repeat it? He did not follow Christ! He followed lucifer!

That's just ignorant. Hitler was not a pagan. Or are you just using the term "pagan" as the generic old power-grabbing, hateful, Christian term trying to cast someone as evil by calling them "pagan"? I know some pagans and they are, to a person, much more loving and much less judgemental than you.

He didn't follow lucifer either. He was interested in the occult however. Though I'd guess you don't really know what "occult" means either except as yet another term for "evil" stuff.