Can Science Reveal God?

Originally Posted by revolver

I think science have revealed there is no god, and why would we need one, the cosmos is like one big living organism, everything working as one, yes, that is what I call god.

It's when you ask: where did the big bang come from, that you realize there is handwaving going on. How does a big bang come from nothing? It can't. Richard Dawkins is peddling nonsense.

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by Mazulu

That is clearly not a defensible statement. It is more accurate to say that the universe is made of particles and fields.

Sure. The particle is made up of what? The "Field" precedes the particle, also.

Is the Field, matter? No, it is not.

[Luminous]

I don't know how to say this but I'll try to explain from my point of view.
Science and spirituality went two different, separate ways in the beginning.
Spirituality went inwards, in yourself, and science went outwards to see the world. They both went two opposite ways: one left, one right. Eventually, they will both meet in the middle.

Originally Posted by Morpheus

Sure. The particle is made up of what? The "Field" precedes the particle, also.

Is the Field, matter? No, it is not.

Correct.

[revolver]

Originally Posted by Mazulu

It's when you ask: where did the big bang come from, that you realize there is handwaving going on. How does a big bang come from nothing? It can't. Richard Dawkins is peddling nonsense.

Maybe so to you, but it makes a lot more sense than a god waving a magic wand and making everything appear magically.

Originally Posted by revolver

Maybe so to you, but it makes a lot more sense than a god waving a magic wand and making everything appear magically.

If spirit can be imprinted deeply enough with laws of physics, like GR and Maxwells equations, then a universe could pop into existence. The fact that you cannot fathom how higher laws could operate does not mean that higher laws were not exercised, resulting in the big bang.

[Morpheus]

With respect to origins in "The Big Shine"; We are told that "Time", and Space are illusory. Ever since Einstein, in Physics.
What becomes evident when you eliminate time from the equation?

All life is biology, all biology is physiology, all physiology is chemistry, all chemistry is physics, all physics is maths,
all maths is energy, all energy is Light, all Light is Conciousness.

"The Hebrew, Greek, and Hindu scriptures all abound with examples of pre-scientific thinking about how light and enlightenment represented the imparting of knowledge to a person, with darkness signifying the lack of knowledge. Sometimes this would go beyond the metaphorical to literal, as it did in the Damascus Road experience of the apostle Paul in which he and his companions saw a bright light, but he alone heard the voice. Thus, while Paul's companions simply had an extraordinary experience;
Paul had became enlightened."

“Beneath all matter we must assume the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the Matrix of all matter.”
Max Planck, “Father” of quantum theory, 1917

Not sure offhand. Was it Tesla or Planck who stated that if you wanted to understand the Universe, you need to understand Frequency, Vibration, and Resonance? What is this about, but, "Light"...
Sound... Temperature?

[revolver]

Originally Posted by Mazulu

If spirit can be imprinted deeply enough with laws of physics, like GR and Maxwells equations, then a universe could pop into existence. The fact that you cannot fathom how higher laws could operate does not mean that higher laws were not exercised, resulting in the big bang.

That's a lot of rot, god cannot be proven in anyway what so ever.

Originally Posted by revolver

That's a lot of rot, god cannot be proven in anyway what so ever.

I'm sorry, but the whole problem with this atheistic point of view is that the arguments are not supported by facts, observation or even logic. I can very easily argue that spirit or aether exists simply by defining it as a set of quantum fields. I can argue the existence of God because only God has the power to imprint the laws of physics upon spirit. The fact that there is a ton of evidence for spirits, an afterlife, witnesses of God, angels, and all sorts of disembodied life forms very much supports my argument. Until you can explain the origin of the laws of physics is some reasonable way, then the only logical conclusion is that God really does exist.

[revolver]

Originally Posted by Mazulu

If spirit can be imprinted deeply enough with laws of physics, like GR and Maxwells equations, then a universe could pop into existence. The fact that you cannot fathom how higher laws could operate does not mean that higher laws were not exercised, resulting in the big bang.

If there is any truth in that, then we would never know, so we can make up all sorts of theories, but in the end non of us really know, at lest I admite that.