What are your beliefs on Reincarnation?

Originally Posted by Ghost_Rider_1970

I don't believe in individual souls or individual reincarnation. Quite simply that each one of us is the very soul of the Universe. So as one person dies another is born.

It is therefore the Universe that reincarnates through each and every one of us from our own unique perspective. Consequently, in my view there is no prelife and no afterlife - with no external god. Where we are the creators and the created.

Very well said my dear Dattatreya!!
You are Brahman, Vishnu, and Shiva all in one, the creator, dancer, and the destroyer of countless universes. I hope you are enjoying your show.

Originally Posted by bellesfleurs

It's also my understanding that people killed en masse, early in life (think war) tend to come back very quickly because they feel their lives were cut short prematurely. That can be associated with increased birth rates after wars.

Hmmmm.... Makes sense to me, nothing like a bunch of prematurely dead victims of war to make people horny. Humans, such strange and perverted creatures.

Originally Posted by edithaint

I believe all of the above, to some extent. I don't believe in RE-incarnation or enlightenment, as I don't believe in linear spacetime outside of human (and other animal) perception, but I believe we are all already incarnated as everything we ever were, are, and will be. Birth and death are an illusion -- a very real and deadly illusion -- particular to the tiny bubble of our known universe. Consciousness exists on many different levels. We are the children of the future, and every ancestor beyond the wriggling worms of deep history.

Ah yes, this is what relativity, quantum mechanics, and string theory would seem to imply is the case. Yet, my human mind is stuck in liner spacetime and cannot perceive outside of it. But I do not worry too much about the tiny bubble of our universe, it, like the all of the infinite other universes, has always been there to be incarnated within consciousness, and will always be so, whether filling my awareness in the ever present moment or not. Space and time are peculiar things, like a pair of lenses in a set of eyeglasses that we know are not real, yet we cannot see any thing without them nonetheless.

Originally Posted by iamthat

So a relatively undeveloped person with undeveloped astral and mental bodies will spend little time on the astral and mental planes between incarnations. They will reincarnate quite quickly.

Sounds nice, hoping from one party to the next without taking the time to sober up and feel the hangover. I think you are onto something here, color me undeveloped.

[TerramineLightvoid]

Having been an Atheist in the past for 7 years, the idea that you cease to exist after you die doesn't sound outlandish. If all we are is merely bubbles of consciousness that arises through random chance. Then things like Immortality and God are more of an Afterthought, they come through human intelligence and invention.

But no matter how I slice it, I can't avoid this persistently re-emerging idea that Consciousness itself is really a cosmic force, rather than a self-contained imminent quantity.

If there is "Cosmic Consciousness" and consciousness is an innate quality of existence. Then Reincarnation is a logical inevitability. Suppose the way your brain generates your consciousness, is much like how a radio tunes into a radio frequency. The frequency being the configuration state of the atoms in your brain. The arrangement, the complexity, etc.

Then essentially when you die you would inevitably "reincarnate" at the very least when the multiverse spawns the possibility of your universe where you inevitably exist, your arrangement of atoms, etc. Given enough time, enough rolls of the dice. A universe identical to this one, with all the same events, etc... would eventually spawn into the universe. Thus you would keep reliving the same life over and over. You have free will each time, and your choices would probably be somewhat randomized. So each time you may not tell the story exactly the same way, thus describing all alternate universes where you exist. Etc.

Also as a side note, this would create a scientific explanation for how people could be brought back to life. No matter how long dead, and even if their physical body has long since been destroyed. Because if this theory about how your brain generates consciousness, is true. Then technically we could forcibly spawn your consciousness into a new vessel. In a computer brain that mimicks the exact configuration state of your brain.

Last but not least. There is much more possibilities to factor in as well. Quantum Immortality basically describes how we can't technically "die". As in within our own waking consciousness, we ourselves cannot experience a universe where we die. Because by definition we only are consciously aware in realities where we are alive/have a physical body to exist. The reason we witness other people die is because it's not /us/ dying. Other people in their reality can witness your death. But to you, you do not exist in that reality so your consciousness moves over to another universe likely merging with the consciousness present in that universe's version of your body. You'll likely wake up, as if it had never happened, and the new merged consciousness won't necessarily remember what happened... except through particularly strong "dejavu" and Mandella Effect type discrepencies in the current world you reside.

Point being this would explain things like Miscarriages, people who died too young, anyone who dies before their absolute appointed time, etc... Everyone keeps Reincarnating until the End of Time, until the End of The World.

[Miss Hepburn]

I have not commented much here bec I have so much already...
I have no 'beliefs' on reincarnation.
I happen to be the odd person that has been shown many of my diff lives...
as I wash dishes or even last yr while i was on this laptop.
They just 'are'. (Not that they aren't amazing visions and stun me pleasantly....giving enormous insights!)
But, I feel as casually about them as Barbra Streisand did in, 'On A Clear Day'...they just 'are'.

'If there is Cosmic Consciousness...', that is like saying, If there is air that we breathe...
Sorry, this is just something I have exp so many xs...By His Grace.
I assure you, it is a real thing.

[TerramineLightvoid]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

I have not commented much here bec I have so much already...
I have no 'beliefs' on reincarnation.
I happen to be the odd person that has been shown many of my diff lives...
as I wash dishes or even last yr while i was on this laptop.
They just 'are'. (Not that they aren't amazing visions and stun me pleasantly....giving enormous insights!)
But, I feel as casually about them as Barbra Streisand did in, 'On A Clear Day'...they just 'are'.

'If there is Cosmic Consciousness...', that is like saying, If there is air that we breathe...
Sorry, this is just something I have exp so many xs...By His Grace.
I assure you, it is a real thing.

At the end of the day. One cannot truly believe if they can't see the Secular perspective too. How can there be a King, if there isn't a Throne independent of him to rule? Ironically what the Atheists don't get is that a Throne BEGETS a king. As Rick Sanchez said it... if God existed in his universe, why would he be allowed to exist? Rick "plays" god better than anyone and yet God doesn't smite him.

So if God didn't exist, we would just end up creating him anyways.

Point being, I only see it as I see it. Humans are always limited by the infinitely insignificant keyhole of their understanding. I know Him but I relate more with Atheists well before I do 99% of all Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc. I relate with their willingness to face the truth no matter how harsh, and come out the other side wherever that leads. I think I know the truth, but I'm not gonna dictate that to others because they have their own free will.

Instead I will live as an example, be an avatar for God as best as possible. But I'm not gonna pretend like I'm all knowing or that I can't be wrong. I've been majorly wrong... twice. So I can't really afford to be wrong again.

[Jainarayan]

Originally Posted by ketzer

"There's an exception that Krishna promised in the Bhagavad Gita... if we remember him at the time we quit our bodies, there is no doubt we will become one with him,"

Yes, but what does it mean that we "remember him" at our time of death. Is it an exception, or more of an explanation?

https://asitis.com/8/10.html

The exception is to the cycle of birth and death. Ordinarily we might have to pass through millions, maybe billions of lives before we attain moksha. Calling or chanting his name, thinking of Him grants moksha. It's a fast-track.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by TerramineLightvoid

Having been an Atheist in the past for 7 years, the idea that you cease to exist after you die doesn't sound outlandish. If all we are is merely bubbles of consciousness that arises through random chance. Then things like Immortality and God are more of an Afterthought, they come through human intelligence and invention.

But no matter how I slice it, I can't avoid this persistently re-emerging idea that Consciousness itself is really a cosmic force, rather than a self-contained imminent quantity.

If there is "Cosmic Consciousness" and consciousness is an innate quality of existence. Then Reincarnation is a logical inevitability. Suppose the way your brain generates your consciousness, is much like how a radio tunes into a radio frequency. The frequency being the configuration state of the atoms in your brain. The arrangement, the complexity, etc.

Then essentially when you die you would inevitably "reincarnate" at the very least when the multiverse spawns the possibility of your universe where you inevitably exist, your arrangement of atoms, etc. Given enough time, enough rolls of the dice. A universe identical to this one, with all the same events, etc... would eventually spawn into the universe. Thus you would keep reliving the same life over and over. You have free will each time, and your choices would probably be somewhat randomized. So each time you may not tell the story exactly the same way, thus describing all alternate universes where you exist. Etc.

Also as a side note, this would create a scientific explanation for how people could be brought back to life. No matter how long dead, and even if their physical body has long since been destroyed. Because if this theory about how your brain generates consciousness, is true. Then technically we could forcibly spawn your consciousness into a new vessel. In a computer brain that mimicks the exact configuration state of your brain.

And what if consciousness is not generated by brain activity? What if consciousness precedes the physical brain and functions through the brain but does not require the brain in order to exist?

You use the analogy of a radio. To say that the brain generates consciousness is like saying that the program playing on the radio is generated within the radio itself. The radio is just tuning into frequencies which exist outside the radio. So the brain tunes into frequencies of consciousness which exist outside the brain. The arrangements of physical atoms may determine how well the brain functions, but consciousness itself does not depend on any arrangements of physical atoms.

The idea of consciousness being forced into a computer brain shows little understanding of what it means to be a human being.

Peace.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Jainarayan

The exception is to the cycle of birth and death. Ordinarily we might have to pass through millions, maybe billions of lives before we attain moksha. Calling or chanting his name, thinking of Him grants moksha. It's a fast-track.

This really depends on what we understand by calling or chanting the Name of God. Simply saying Rama or Krishna at the moment of death does not necessarily guarantee immediate moksha. I suggest that chanting the Name of God has a deeper meaning than just uttering a word.

Peace.