Just In Case You Forgot

[psychoslice]

Originally Posted by WhiteShaman

What's it feel like? Describe being one with the sun.

Well as I keep saying I am one with all there IS, its the same feeling as being one with the sun. But you must realize that its a feeling which is felt through the mind body organism. Just as the experience of Enlightenment is also experienced through the mind body, we are One in Consciousness, that is our true Nature, we need not feel it, we are it. Again the feeling or experience of Oneness is that, a feeling, but the actual feeling isn't what IS.

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by psychoslice

Well as I keep saying I am one with all there IS, its the same feeling as being one with the sun. But you must realize that its a feeling which is felt through the mind body organism. Just as the experience of Enlightenment is also experienced through the mind body, we are One in Consciousness, that is our true Nature, we need not feel it, we are it. Again the feeling or experience of Oneness is that, a feeling, but the actual feeling isn't what IS.

Sounds like twoness to me. You...........one.....feel something else......two.

Why do you interpret your mind body feelings of, let's say the sun, as being 'one' with it?

Originally Posted by Seawolf

I don't think having problems in life is any indication of someone's level of awareness in spirituality. Spirituality doesn't grow without life's problems and people around us constantly challenging us. It's value or 'Truth' is in how it causes us to react to life and other people around us.

For me that's directly related to how much I integrate spirituality into my life. When it becomes consistent practice, I'm on a serene level mental and emotionally. Not a rapture experience all the time, although that can happen, but consistenly just feeling good more than bad. It took a long time to get to the point where I was ready for that, and I had to go through a lot of hardships and pain to realize I needed something that worked and I needed to be consistent with it.

Huh? Where did I say that having problems in life is an indication of someone's level of awareness in spirituality???? I said that the journey to oneness is long and difficult....you are reinforcing my argument that we are here in the physical "for a reason" and that "is" the learning and growing that we can do on the earth plane.....yes, the hardships and pain.....I am pleased that you have found a way that works for you, but it is a "practise", like Buddhism, not a oneness with the Godhead bypassing spirit and the spirit realms which is what spirituality is all about.........

Originally Posted by WhiteShaman

or................it just signifies that we can experience anything and that the mind is powerful.
I have found that true 'longing' for something is the power behind being able to create the expereince we are longing for.
But it is an experience. It comes and goes like everything in life.

I don't question that we can create an "experience" or break through to having an experience but yes, exactly--- it is not a permanent "state of being".......

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by Juanita

I don't question that we can create an "experience" or break through to having an experience but yes, exactly--- it is not a permanent "state of being".......

What would you say it is then?

To me, the awareness that all 'spiritual'experiences are created has made them less attractive.

In fact it's become impossible to create them knowing that I was subconsiously creating them.

Now I experience what is but even that is subjective and therefore personal.....and yes, therefore, fabricated.

Life is truly empty apart from what we fill it with.

Originally Posted by WhiteShaman

Life is truly empty apart from what we fill it with.

Yes, we fill it up with our own manufactured meanings and purposes, and that is wonderful. But sometimes the meaning we manufacture to make sense of our own life then becomes projected onto the phenonemon of existence itself.

If we are able to stand back from all our own manufactured meanings- ideas about being "One" with the cosmos, ideas about remembering or forgetting "who" we are...we see life for what it is- Empty. Infinitely empty. And therein may bewhere freedom ultimately lies.

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by LIFE

Yes, we fill it up with our own manufactured meanings and purposes, and that is wonderful. But sometimes the meaning we manufacture to make sense of our own life then becomes projected onto the phenonemon of existence itself.

If we are able to stand back from all our own manufactured meanings- ideas about being "One" with the cosmos, ideas about remembering or forgetting "who" we are...we see life for what it is- Empty. Infinitely empty. And therein may bewhere freedom ultimately lies.

But you know what.............right now, this minute, this moment....life is filled with me, with the life i have made, with the bonds i have created with family and friends, with the knowledge and experiences i have come to know.
The thought of it being empty 'beyond' this moment is just another thought............if you think about it....lol

Hmmmmm.....

(Thank you TZU)

[psychoslice]

Originally Posted by WhiteShaman

Sounds like twoness to me. You...........one.....feel something else......two.

Why do you interpret your mind body feelings of, let's say the sun, as being 'one' with it?

Because there is only One, but i still have to convey this to you from the mind, so whatever words I use are always going to sound to you as being twoness, this is where you yourself have to see beyond the words I am using.

[psychoslice]

Originally Posted by LIFE

Yes, we fill it up with our own manufactured meanings and purposes, and that is wonderful. But sometimes the meaning we manufacture to make sense of our own life then becomes projected onto the phenonemon of existence itself.

If we are able to stand back from all our own manufactured meanings- ideas about being "One" with the cosmos, ideas about remembering or forgetting "who" we are...we see life for what it is- Empty. Infinitely empty. And therein may bewhere freedom ultimately lies.

These words such as, "One with the Cosmos," remembering" or "forgetting" are only words, they are not what they point to, you seem to not be able to grasp this, the words you use such as "Infinitely empty", are only words also, but I can see where they are pointing.

Originally Posted by WhiteShaman

What would you say it is then?

To me, the awareness that all 'spiritual'experiences are created has made them less attractive.

In fact it's become impossible to create them knowing that I was subconsiously creating them.

Now I experience what is but even that is subjective and therefore personal.....and yes, therefore, fabricated.

Life is truly empty apart from what we fill it with.

No, I don't believe that 'all' spiritual experiences are created either consciensely or even subconsciensely. I have had experiences that were so unexpected that I could never have created them myself....I am a spiritulist, so most of my experiences has to do with spirit...I once had an experience of universal love that was so deep, so profound that all I could do was to cry.... I didn,t ask for it and I didn't expect it but afterwards I felt that I was given another glimpse of the afterlife.....nothing is fabricated----even visualization can lead to a real experience.....Life is not empty unless you believe it to be.. If one focuses on what is or oneness, which could be eons away --in our time--one is missing out on so many true spiritual experiences....