Living in a 'double exposure' ?

[bluebird21]

I know there are peeps here who can honestly speak to this. And I am curious. I have experienced non-dual awareness, though I am no longer there. I had trouble adjusting to relating to "others" as I was seeing that there is, essentially, no separation between self and other (or everything in existence for that matter...).

So, in a world where most everybody around you is experiencing dualistic perception, how do you live immersed in non-dual awareness?

In other words, how do you recognize the Oneness while simultaneously holding the view and respecting relative individuality?

Thank you!

[blossomingtree]

Originally Posted by bluebird21

In other words, how do you recognize the Oneness while simultaneously holding the view and respecting relative individuality?

Thank you!

It's like Aladdin. You have a secret, you know it, and sense it, live it. You look in the mirror and see them. They don't know but you see it. You live normally, with a secret, loving God, living joy.

BT

[blossomingtree]

bluebird,

I just saw your other thread, and I am very sorry for what you went through. My experience would be - be amongst those whom know - these are spiritual secrets and realities that people who have not first hand experienced them would have no concept or imagination of what it even is. When you shift, your perception and consciousness fully shifts. I know there are many such moments of Gnosis that can open up. Be amongst Sangha, genuine teachers if you can. In the world of duality, relativity and ego, one has to be careful with what one shares because ego can never grasp or understand God or True Unconditional Love. This is why most mystics and Spiritual Masters speak in parables. It is like a secret language which only other mystics see - like responding to a mate's call in the Kingdom of Birds.

Once again, I am very deeply sorry for what you experienced. I hope that you can forgive your Mother - she probably really didn't understand at all..I'm sorry.

Blessings,
BT

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by blossomingtree

bluebird,

My experience would be - be amongst those whom know - these are spiritual secrets and realities that people who have not first hand experienced them would have no concept or imagination of what it even is. When you shift, your perception and consciousness fully shifts. I know there are many such moments of Gnosis that can open up. Be amongst Sangha, genuine teachers if you can. In the world of duality, relativity and ego, one has to be careful with what one shares because ego can never grasp or understand God or True Unconditional Love. This is why most mystics and Spiritual Masters speak in parables. It is like a secret language which only other mystics see - like responding to a mate's call in the Kingdom of Birds.

I guess I had always assumed that part of the problem is that those who think that way are 'lost' in the sense they are trying to preserve their own sense of being (by not rocking the boat and inviting attacks). This DESPITE the fact there are huge changes to the sense of being coming from following those paths, that most others who haven't been on the path would not be able to comprehend. Still, something hidden at the back of the mind keeps one out of certain terrain?

This is one of the reasons I didn't trust anyone with my own beingness. There was kind of an observation in my mind that, putting that kind of strong limitation on life wasn't working the way it was claimed it would work? And so if I got caught up in following others, how was I going to not make the same mistakes I saw being made?

not that it matters I guess.

[blossomingtree]

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

not that it matters I guess.

Why would it not matter, FallingLeaves? We all inquire, this is the fun of a forum! Exchange of sincere ideas! Fun cross debates As long as it's sincere, it's all good.

I guess I had always assumed that part of the problem is that those who think that way are 'lost' in the sense they are trying to preserve their own sense of being (by not rocking the boat and inviting attacks).

If I understand you correctly, FL, I don't personally think it is because they are trying to preserve their sense of being by not rocking the boat or inviting attacks.

Have you perchance noticed that many spiritual masters did talk - Rumi, Buddha etc - and I think maybe in the best way they could? It's just that it's not conceptual so they can't really point to something beyond words/duality maybe? (Words also can not adequately describe the experiences/realizations - nor should they stay only at the conceptual level - I think these are some other reasons?)

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

Still, something hidden at the back of the mind keeps one out of certain terrain?

Can you elaborate please? If I sense it correctly, I don't (personally) see it as keeping something hidden. It's like getting to Rome, what is the point of talking about it - the only point would be helping others reach the same destination. At that point, words are no longer needed?

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

This is one of the reasons I didn't trust anyone with my own beingness.

Yes I was also careful in the past with whom I trusted on these matters. Even though some teachers invited me with open arms or praised my insights, I didn't trust anyone who didn't know the Ultimate.

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

There was kind of an observation in my mind that, putting that kind of strong limitation on life wasn't working the way it was claimed it would work? And so if I got caught up in following others, how was I going to not make the same mistakes I saw being made?

Depends on what you mean by mistakes, FL. At the end of the day, for me, it's a spiritual practice so the goods are spiritual realization (genuine, authentic, ultimate level) - the rest is mundane. Not that it's separate, per se, but not that it is not either. If that makes sense.

Be well

BT

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by bluebird21

I know there are peeps here who can honestly speak to this. And I am curious. I have experienced non-dual awareness, though I am no longer there. I had trouble adjusting to relating to "others" as I was seeing that there is, essentially, no separation between self and other (or everything in existence for that matter...).

So, in a world where most everybody around you is experiencing dualistic perception, how do you live immersed in non-dual awareness?

In other words, how do you recognize the Oneness while simultaneously holding the view and respecting relative individuality?

Thank you!

you want to eat your cake and have it too eh.

I think what I said above will help you see the problem in what you are seeking. However I'll elaborate.

If you want to live in a way that nobody else does, separate yourself from everybody else. If you want to be around other people, you'll need to live like they do, or learn to accept their ways of life as equally awesome as the one you choose.

living like an acetic or with a highly spiritual mind is for our personal benefit. it's not meant to be a way for us to elevate ourselves above our peers. However seeking elevation is one of the main reasons people seek spirituality.


maybe there is no separation between self and other on the highest spiritual level. but you, the ego, are not there. and you never will be (not trying to be harsh, just saying that the aspect of yourself which is not differentiated is already at that level so there is nothing to reach for, and your ego (which you think needs to be elevated to that level) can never be elevated to that level. so you are essentially are chasing the impossible. so whats the point of hating yourself and seeking to eliminate yourself? theres none really. once you (ego) are gone, there is nothing.

Seems to me, rather than wanting yourself to be gone (the ego) you just want to eliminate that part of you which cannot stand to be you. This is done most often through therapy, but sometimes through spiritual practice.



also. I don't really care to experience non-dual awareness or whatever. What I have now is pretty darn amazing. I am my ego, and my higher self is my higher self. my higher self can do whatever the heck it wants to do, me as my ego is going to do whatever I want to do. ya feel me? Me as my ego is not gonna seek to be my higher self. that position is already taken. I'm here to enjoy being my ego, and thats exactly what I do.

cheers bud.

[blossomingtree]

Originally Posted by shivatar

you want to eat your cake and have it too eh.

I think what I said above will help you see the problem in what you are seeking. However I'll elaborate.

If you want to live in a way that nobody else does, separate yourself from everybody else. If you want to be around other people, you'll need to live like they do, or learn to accept their ways of life as equally awesome as the one you choose.

living like an acetic or with a highly spiritual mind is for our personal benefit. it's not meant to be a way for us to elevate ourselves above our peers. However seeking elevation is one of the main reasons people seek spirituality.


maybe there is no separation between self and other on the highest spiritual level. but you, the ego, are not there. and you never will be (not trying to be harsh, just saying that the aspect of yourself which is not differentiated is already at that level so there is nothing to reach for, and your ego (which you think needs to be elevated to that level) can never be elevated to that level. so you are essentially are chasing the impossible. so whats the point of hating yourself and seeking to eliminate yourself? theres none really. once you (ego) are gone, there is nothing.

Seems to me, rather than wanting yourself to be gone (the ego) you just want to eliminate that part of you which cannot stand to be you. This is done most often through therapy, but sometimes through spiritual practice.

heehee shivatar

I don't think it's quite like that at all

I believe that what bluebird refers to is an intimately unifying and loving experience, not a separation or wanting herself to be gone

BT

[shivatar]

Originally Posted by blossomingtree

heehee shivatar

I don't think it's quite like that at all

I believe that what bluebird refers to is an intimately unifying and loving experience, not a separation or wanting herself to be gone

BT

congrats, we disagree yet again.

[shivatar]

sometimes I blow my own mind. gah I love being me haha

[bluebird21]

Shivatar - many assumptions and projections here. I know you have good intent. I have absolutely no desire to "elevate" myself above others, on the contrary I wish to live and connect with all, exactly as they are and I am. I am asking this question because whether I like it or not it is indeed a process I am going through. There's nothing to be ashamed of nor to puff myself up about. It's just something I'm experiencing and not a personal agenda I have... lol quite the opposite.

BT your words are comforting. I feel less alone. Thank you. <3