the Watchers

A dear and trusted friend of mine channelled these beings who were called Watchers. One, in particular, spoke with her to tell their story. The short of it is that angels were in existence before the humans. When humanity arrived, angels were shocked and curious. Divisions formed among the angels as to human-lovers and human-haters. (A common theme in many sci-fi movies, btw).

The higher-ups decreed that groups of lower level angels would go to earth and "watch" the humans, learn from them, etc.

What happened is that they intermingled, some for the benefit of humanity, some out of curiosity's sake...and that's when heaven went nuts.

Without any counsel, the higher-ups captured all the Watchers and threw them into some sort of angel hell (there are techie terms, but I don't remember them). There the were tortured relentlessly. A small faction of angels--the one my friend channelled--decided to make themselves corporeal in order to die. They couldn't take the pain and suffering, and they wanted to see what the humans experienced after death. So they died.

And since they channelled my friend, I'd say they're doing just fine.

Surely people have heard of the Watchers (which eventually led to the so-called fall of Lucifer), so what are your thoughts about this topic?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/72940/The-Watchers

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vi...watchers07.htm

these sites may interest you .

[Llwyncwn]

It would be interesting to hear Spirit Guide Sparrow's view on this.

I ran across a site a few years ago on angels all the classifications including the watchers. In the book of Enoch (I think) it talks about angels interacting with humans and mating with them and those angels became the fallen angels.

[Spiritlite]

No I haven't but would love to learn more.
Spiritlite.

It would be interesting to hear Spirit Guide Sparrow's view on this.

I'm very curious to for this person to reply. I read her (his?) post defining different types, and the last type is what made me remember this situation.

I ran across a site a few years ago on angels all the classifications including the watchers. In the book of Enoch (I think) it talks about angels interacting with humans and mating with them and those angels became the fallen angels.

Yes, it's in the book of Enoch. The offspring were supposedly the giants (like Goliath). Even the Bible talks about giants.

Uhmar, I'll check out those sites. Thanks.

The Grigori, that's it. I remember studying these beings years ago when my friend wrote her story.

What I am also curious about is how/if the angels are truly connected with Jesus or not.

I also have another theory, but I am afraid to post it because I do not want to offend anyone. So how open are people to potentially controversial theories here?

[Westleigh]

Well, angels (or at least the beings I would use the term to describe) have never been incarnate or capable of physically producing offspring with humans, and nor are they capable of any emotion but unconditional love. In addition, there is no concept of punishment in the spirit world. I do not think the beings you speak about would ever be considered angels in the "angels and guides" sense as they would have to be physical rather than spirit beings.

Having said that, "angel" is a fuzzy term that different people use to mean different things. If there is a basis for the biblical tales and the account you describe they may very well be talking about some physical beings of the past. There is a school of thought which believes the beings spoken about in the bible - and indeed in other ancient texts which predate it - are extraterrestrial in origin, which I find to be a theory which sounds viable. You can imagine that if ancient humanity saw advanced technology they would conclude that it was magical or divine, and it is also reasonable to assume that "mingling" with another species would be frowned upon by authorities.

It is very easy for situations like these to become confused when the terminology and context is unclear. I honestly don't think that we are capable of understanding the events described in the old testament or the earlier sources it derived from because we are simply so far removed from the events and the state of mind of the people at that time.

[Rah nam]

Originally Posted by Westleigh

Well, angels (or at least the beings I would use the term to describe) have never been incarnate or capable of physically producing offspring with humans, and nor are they capable of any emotion but unconditional love. In addition, there is no concept of punishment in the spirit world.

What you say is partially correct, when we talk about those angelic expressions working on these lower levels. But everything in creation evolves, and so do the angelics as well as the Fae. It would go to far within this treat to go into details of the development path of the angelic energy, but I only like to point out, on their path they can incarnate if they choose.

Originally Posted by Westleigh

Well, angels (or at least the beings I would use the term to describe) have never been incarnate or capable of physically producing offspring with humans, and nor are they capable of any emotion but unconditional love. In addition, there is no concept of punishment in the spirit world. I do not think the beings you speak about would ever be considered angels in the "angels and guides" sense as they would have to be physical rather than spirit beings.

Having said that, "angel" is a fuzzy term that different people use to mean different things. If there is a basis for the biblical tales and the account you describe they may very well be talking about some physical beings of the past. There is a school of thought which believes the beings spoken about in the bible - and indeed in other ancient texts which predate it - are extraterrestrial in origin, which I find to be a theory which sounds viable. You can imagine that if ancient humanity saw advanced technology they would conclude that it was magical or divine, and it is also reasonable to assume that "mingling" with another species would be frowned upon by authorities.

It is very easy for situations like these to become confused when the terminology and context is unclear. I honestly don't think that we are capable of understanding the events described in the old testament or the earlier sources it derived from because we are simply so far removed from the events and the state of mind of the people at that time.

i'm sorry but i have to disagree. personal experience suggests otherwise.