Deconstructing Ego

[Ground]

Originally Posted by django

What is your definition of consciousness?

Consciousness is one of the five aggregates of human experience. "There are these six classes of consciousness: eye-consciousness, ear-consciousness, nose-consciousness, tongue-consciousness, body-consciousness, mind-consciousness."

[django]

Originally Posted by Ground

Consciousness is one of the five aggregates of human experience. "There are these six classes of consciousness: eye-consciousness, ear-consciousness, nose-consciousness, tongue-consciousness, body-consciousness, mind-consciousness."

And which consciousness is required for reading and writing and comprehending these threads?

[Ground]

Originally Posted by django

And which consciousness is required for reading and writing and comprehending these threads?

Eye-consciousness, body-consciousness, mind-consciousness.

[no1wakesup]

Originally Posted by Iamit

If such a collapse really did occur who or what would move the body to go to the market to buy the rice?:)

The fact that the organism still functions is a clear sign that mind and ego remain but are denied because mind believes they have to be denied to comply with the stereotype of what is believed to be the characteristics of enlightenment.

Mind modifies the ego defense to a new presentation that it has collapsed and provides it with a new set of characterics that fits the image. In order to be convincing mind can forget that it has done this and REALLY believes in it!!!

What the mind is capable of should not be underestimated. It wants you to REALLY beleive its illusions for your own good.

There is no safe bet as far as the mind is concerned............including that statement................and that................and that........:)

But if you are still alive and getting the rice...........its working.

You really suggesting that the body needs the Ego to survive? You might as well assume the cells in the body which do the the 10 million things in every moment, your breath which continues on as you sleep and the blood that courses through your veins are orchestrated by the ego as well. Your body was working beautifully fine before it intellectualized "me" and grew an identity.

The body doesn't need the ego. Yet, the ego needs to be needed. It will fight for its own significance. Yet the body, otherwise autonomous and instinctual, is not concerned with the personal survival and continuity demands of an egoic mind.

Ego, fully formed, is the identification with thought. An identity strucure if you will, compartmentalizing every facet of duality imaginable. Thought is the glue which keeps your reality as conceptual as experiences go. While its busy interpreting everything its sees, in the background its constantly measuring other out there so as to keep anchoring a solid me in here. An identification so anchored that just the suggestion that you are not the thinker, but only the one which unconsciously recieves thought, can never be accepted or supported. The egoic mind gives you the full experience from top to bottom, future and past and from beginning to end. Its a massive investment for that separate solid self. It's not just the false sense of you or ego that is transcended (as the illussion of its unconsciously dominate position is revealed), but the entire external experience in linear time and space is also in that collapse. All duality collapses as it ignites from the inside out

You and your story are seen as you and your story. Once that is fully re identified, well then, everything goes to ****. It all falls away. But guess what? The essential consciousness, this aurhentic ground of being is there, as its always been... yet now realized. And yes there is still thought but the mechanical, unconscious and relentless pace is no longer their. Anyone that says there is no thought anymore is full of ****. Thought simply no longer belongs to you, that relationship is no longer there and is not repetitive anymore.

So it's NO surprise that most on the spiritual path further mispercieve and assume that the lens of conditioning is somehow relevant in what is an otherwise authentic state

The ego is part of the unfolding, it serves you for where you are on your individual journey. it's not the enemy but it's not there to evolve or ascend either. Post liberation, it will be seen no different than an old and discarded halloween mask

[django]

Originally Posted by Ground

Eye-consciousness, body-consciousness, mind-consciousness.

Ok, thanks

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by no1wakesup

You really suggesting that the body needs the Ego to survive? You might as well assume the cells in the body which do the the 10 million things in every moment, your breath which continues on as you sleep and the blood that courses through your veins are orchestrated by the ego as well. Your body was working beautifully fine before it intellectualized "me" and grew an identity.

The body doesn't need the ego. Yet, the ego needs to be needed. It will fight for its own significance. Yet the body, otherwise autonomous and instinctual, is not concerned with the personal survival and continuity demands of an egoic mind.

Ego, fully formed, is the identification with thought. An identity strucure if you will, compartmentalizing every facet of duality imaginable. Thought is the glue which keeps your reality as conceptual as experiences go. While its busy interpreting everything its sees, in the background its constantly measuring other out there so as to keep anchoring a solid me in here. An identification so anchored that just the suggestion that you are not the thinker, but only the one which unconsciously recieves thought, can never be accepted or supported. The egoic mind gives you the full experience from top to bottom, future and past and from beginning to end. Its a massive investment for that separate solid self. It's not just the false sense of you or ego that is transcended (as the illussion of its unconsciously dominate position is revealed), but the entire external experience in linear time and space is also in that collapse. All duality collapses as it ignites from the inside out

You and your story are seen as you and your story. Once that is fully re identified, well then, everything goes to ****. It all falls away. But guess what? The essential consciousness, this aurhentic ground of being is there, as its always been... yet now realized. And yes there is still thought but the mechanical, unconscious and relentless pace is no longer their. Anyone that says there is no thought anymore is full of ****. Thought simply no longer belongs to you, that relationship is no longer there and is not repetitive anymore.

So it's NO surprise that most on the spiritual path further mispercieve and assume that the lens of conditioning is somehow relevant in what is an otherwise authentic state

The ego is part of the unfolding, it serves you for where you are on your individual journey. it's not the enemy but it's not there to evolve or ascend either. Post liberation, it will be seen no different than an old and discarded halloween mask

Yes absolutely it does need the ego while the dynamics from conditioning (condemnation and punishment) remain in play. I worked for many years in a 900 bed Victorian mental hospital and have seen first hand the devastating effects of ego collapse whilst the dynamics of terror were still in place. You may survive without the ego but if the terror that required its construction is still in play there will be great suffering. As you say the mind is very reluctant to give up the ego it has constructed for your benefit but that is a lucky situation for you not the evil barrier to realization you imagine ( or have been told) it to be.

It is not an either/or situation, Once the ego is seen for what it is there is no need at all for it to collapse in order to realize or awaken. And in fact it never does collapse in awakening but is simply given other characteristics by the mind to fit the made up image of a so called enlightened one. and the rice continues to get cooked.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Ground

Consciousness is one of the five aggregates of human experience. "There are these six classes of consciousness: eye-consciousness, ear-consciousness, nose-consciousness, tongue-consciousness, body-consciousness, mind-consciousness."

This describes consciousness experiencing creation through the tools of the five senses plus the mind, which is just another tool. Consciousness itself exists separately from all these and is not dependent on any of them.

Peace.

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by Ground

Consciousness is one of the five aggregates of human experience. "There are these six classes of consciousness: eye-consciousness, ear-consciousness, nose-consciousness, tongue-consciousness, body-consciousness, mind-consciousness."

what are the other four aggregates?

[django]

Originally Posted by Iamit

Yes absolutely it does need the ego while the dynamics from conditioning (condemnation and punishment) remain in play. I worked for many years in a 900 bed Victorian mental hospital and have seen first hand the devastating effects of ego collapse whilst the dynamics of terror were still in place. You may survive without the ego but if the terror that required its construction is still in play there will be great suffering. As you say the mind is very reluctant to give up the ego it has constructed for your benefit but that is a lucky situation for you not the evil barrier to realization you imagine ( or have been told) it to be.

It is not an either/or situation, Once the ego is seen for what it is there is no need at all for it to collapse in order to realize or awaken. And in fact it never does collapse in awakening but is simply given other characteristics by the mind to fit the made up image of a so called enlightened one. and the rice continues to get cooked.

I agree in general with what you are saying here. Do you think the 'terror' can be resolved enough to get to the point of actually relinquishing the need for 'defensive' ego?

[django]

Is there a definition and understanding of ego that we can all agree on? Chances are we all have a different concept of what ego actually is.