Is God punishing and wrathful or...?

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Molearner

... With the expulsion of Adam from Eden the spirit was withdrawn from man. Man no longer had any connection with God….in a sense like not having a DNA connection. Any communication between man and God was initiated by God.

Another explanation of this story is that at one stage human beings were less dense physically and fully conscious of their connection with Divinity. But as human consciousness became more attracted to physical incarnation they lost that conscious connection to the Divine - symbolically speaking they were cast out from Eden.

The connection with God has always been present but it was no longer a conscious connection. Hence the whole story of human development and learning.

To continue the Biblical themes, we are all like the prodigal son, wandering far from home, "wasting our substance with riotous living", and eating the food meant for the swine. Eventually we realise that we were better off at home and we take the long path back to our Father's house. Meanwhile the loving Father has been awaiting our return and He embraces us and calls for the fatted calves and so on.

In other words, God is neither wrathful nor judgemental - such ideas are the projections of petty fearful humans.

Peace

Originally Posted by ameliorate

[color=Green]If what you say is true, who would worship a schizophrenic, blood thirsty God???

The Christians did, up until around the time of Abraham. 'God' was the interaction between Enki and Enlil. Enki made the local hominids conscious and the Annunaki were worried that they might lose their slaves if they were clever enough to realise they were slaves. Enlil threw them out of the Garden of Eden - there was an actual garden, by the way - and Enki/Satam didn't want to lobotomise them. Enlil was under orders from Marduk and the Annunaki council to destroy them, Enki wanted them saved.

The apple, the tree of knowledge and the snake/Satan are all symbols.

Then came the Deluge, where Enlil as God wanted to wipe out mankind and Enki as the angel had a word with Noah.

The stories are taken from Sumerian mythology, as is the most of Genesis.

Abraham's - AKA Abram's - God was Marduk. Abrahm was living in Herron at the time and was sent to Palestine, it was a security measure, and after that there is the non-schizo God. It's also likely that Zoroaster's God has an influence too, because of the Persian invasion.

Jesus' God was not the God of the New Testament, that God is Saklas, who is a demiurge. Jesus' God is the Gnostic God. Jesus wasn't a Christian, in all likelihood he was Nazorean Essene but he was certainly schooled by the Essene from an early age. It's documented history.

The Roman Catholic then redesigned God to suit their own needs, and that's where the wrathful bit comes in. Controlling the religion meant the Romans could control the population easily and cheaply, because at the time the region was in turmoil with warring factions.

Originally Posted by Greenslade

The Roman Catholic then redesigned God to suit their own needs, and that's where the wrathful bit comes in. Controlling the religion meant the Romans could control the population easily and cheaply, because at the time the region was in turmoil with warring factions.

Greenslade,

What in the world are you talking about ? First, you have Christians worshipping a blood-thirst and schizophrenic god before Abraham ? Long before there were Christians. Lastly, you apparently have Catholics giving birth to wrathful God when it was already preceded by the non-existent Christians worshipping a blood-thirsty God ? And, in between, you speak of Jesus not worshipping the Christian God…..once again before Christianity existed ? Not everything is built on mythology…..traditions can develop independently of each other…..even sharing similar stories. If spirit is an informer of mythology it can inform any people indepentedly. I would have to question the validity of Sumerian mythology if it places Christianity existing prior to Abraham. Sounds like manipulating facts to fit a narrative.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

The Roman Catholic then redesigned God to suit their own needs, and that's where the wrathful bit comes in. Controlling the religion meant the Romans could control the population easily and cheaply, because at the time the region was in turmoil with warring factions.

Surely the wrathful God was in the Old Testament, which considerably predates the Catholic Church.

Peace

Originally Posted by iamthat

Surely the wrathful God was in the Old Testament, which considerably predates the Catholic Church.

Peace

There were two, Enlil was the pre-Abrahmic one and the Roman Catholic church created the judging/punishing God we all know and love today.

Originally Posted by Molearner

I would have to question the validity of Sumerian mythology if it places Christianity existing prior to Abraham. Sounds like manipulating facts to fit a narrative.

Schizo God is based on Enki and Enlil which is Sumerian mythology. The key phrase there is based in, not existing before. That's the God that's mentioned in Genesis, of the Bible. If you read the Bible, God was a pretty bad guy - he was so pis*sed at man that he sent a Deluge to wipe them all out. Blood-thirsty enough?

Then came Abraham's God who was Marduk, ruler of Sumer at that time. That's also where the 'Lord' bit comes from.

Then there was Jesus' God who was not the same as the God the Christians - notably the apostles - were worshiping. Jesus wasn't a Christian, he was a Nazorean Essene.

Christianity came just after 350AD and Constantine, as Christianity is today. The Roman Catholic Church made God the wrathful and judging as a control mechanism.

Christianity is Egyptian in origin and Jesus wasn't THE Christ, he was A Christ. The word Christ is from the Greek krystos, which means 'Anointed One'. Christianity is named after Christ, who didn't exist until 0AD. So technically there were no Christians pre-Jesus but there was a Christian-like religion that originated in Egypt.

So if you're talking about the Bible as facts, be my guest but it's not me that's manipulating. Other than that, believe what you like for your own reasons.

Hahaha at least a source was found to date Christianity to 350….hundreds and hundreds of years after the early Christians that came before Abraham….just about as clear as mud…..

[Altair]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Surely the wrathful God was in the Old Testament, which considerably predates the Catholic Church.

Peace

That wrath is also there in the new testament.

Originally Posted by Molearner

Hahaha at least a source was found to date Christianity to 350….hundreds and hundreds of years after the early Christians that came before Abraham….just about as clear as mud…..

Seriously?

The clue is in the name - CHRISTianity. Christ wasn't born until 0AD so there weren't any CHRISTians before then, although there was a Christian-like sect in Egypt prior to Abraham. Abraham wasn't even a Christian he was a Pagan, and the word 'Christ' comes from the Greek word 'krystos'. The Romans laid the foundation for the Christianity we have today during the Council of Nycea. They created a control mechanism and made God wrathful so that people would they they word burn in hell if they didn't obey 'god's word' - only it wasn't God's word. Constantine really began it all - as far as today's Christianity is concerned - and he aligned with Hermes, a Pagan God, and he used what was an early iteration of Christianity as a tool to gain the throne. The foundations that Christianity is built on are not Christian. And to keep the timeline simple the Bible came last, not first.

I guess now you know where the mud is, but maybe not.

If you want to know where it all started - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roqGfNDegqs

It helps to get what God is not out of the way so that God can be found and trying to make sense of a confused mess of history isn't going to help understand God. God was wrathful in Genesis because he was based on - note the words 'based on' - a mythological ruler who wanted humans wiped out. God was also wrathful in the New Testament because the Romans decided it was cheaper and easier to write the Bible with a wrathful God than to send in troops to keep the peasants in line.

https://evidenceandanswers.org/artic...spel-of-judas/

"The demiurge (Greek demiurgos,[1] “craftsman”[2]) is the being who created the world in Gnosticism. The Gnostics identified him with the god of the Old Testament. The Gnostic scriptures portray him as ignorant, malicious, and utterly inferior to the true God who sent Christ to earth to save humankind from the demiurge’s evil world."
https://gnosticismexplained.org/the-gnostic-demiurge/

So what the Christians - Jesus wasn't a Christian he was a Nazorean Essene and was taught by them from an early age - worship is a demiurge. Interestingly there are parallels between God and the demiurges and the Sumerian Marduk and the Annunaki, it's likely that Gnosticism also takes influences from Sumerian mythology.

Originally Posted by Altair

That wrath is also there in the new testament.

God has a history and a background that few are interested in -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHQ6aJni4sY

The phrase is "Caveat Emptor" or Buyer Beware.