Shifting through parallel realities/universes?

[7luminaries]

Originally Posted by IsleWalker

7L--

You know what bugs me about this? Physicists never ask "What entangles particles in the first place?" That's the important question.

And I personally think--it's love or thought or attention--it's when consciousness interacts with another consciousness and connects with it. [And maybe they're all connected, after all, so all particles are "entangled" by definition?]

Hate to throw another monkey wrench in but...I can't help it.

Lora

I think you're right IW about what causes particle to be entangled...
And I also think that is the important question

And there is a lot more to be said on that, for certain!
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Also thanks for the clip from Sangress...yes what she describes is more along the lines I'd thought...that these seemed to primarily align with states of consciousness, perception, or vibration (for lack of a better way to put it)...

But what I'd noticed are real, concrete changes in the material reality that I have experienced versus what most others seem to recall, and even what is "documented" (whatever that's worth, LOL...I put more trust in the collective memories of others and of myself). Nothing earth-shattering in the grand scheme of things, but there are a lot of small to moderate differences.

peace & blessings,
7L

[7luminaries]

Originally Posted by Deusdrum

^ It's an odd feeling when a person quotes something you've said, and addresses someone else about it rather than you.

I only mention it because i'm curious as to whether it is intentional or if its me just being my invisible self again lol. All good either way.

As to the question, i believe physicists are wrestling now with the idea of quantum entanglement in relation to time as well;

http://io9.com/5744143/particles-can-be-quantum-entangled-through-time-as-well-as-space

which might address your question in a way, though hard to conceive of, for me at least. I find it all very confusing. Oh what a quantum-ly entangled web we weave...

Peace. ~

Hey there DD & thanks very much for the link!
I will definitely check it out and perhaps it will shed some light...

Though I wonder why, again, I would be noticing changes in things that don't appear to have a serious or clear personal relevance to me...

Perhaps it's just the red flag being waved to indicate that we are at a nexus of some kind, generally?

And/or perhaps there is something that is of some relevance to me, but I just don't see it...(?) Or not, LOL...

Peace & blessings
7L

[IsleWalker]

Deus--

Sorry Deus, I didn't "steal" your quote intentionally. I don't come out here regularly. In fact, I previously posted about this topic (and the entanglement idea) myself quite a while ago. Nothing new under the sun I guess. :)

I find this stuff fascinating. I "get" it --only in my own frame of reference--not something that the mainstream world would probably subscribe to! Oh well...

Lora

[IsleWalker]

Originally Posted by 7luminaries

But what I'd noticed are real, concrete changes in the material reality that I have experienced versus what most others seem to recall, and even what is "documented" (whatever that's worth, LOL...I put more trust in the collective memories of others and of myself). Nothing earth-shattering in the grand scheme of things, but there are a lot of small to moderate differences.

7L--Can you describe some of these (or did you already and I missed it!)?

You have asked about small changes that make no difference to you. Do you mean, you witness things in other dimensions that have nothing to do with you? Or are you describing subtle differences in astral dimensions versus the "real" ones? I'm not sure what kind of small changes you mean.

Lora

[7luminaries]

"Real world"...theories having to do with science, physics, history etc...that were not mainstream (theory X) and "mainstream science" was at theory A...suddenly, rather than an acceptance of X as data etc accrued (normal change)...Suddenly theory X "had always been" the mainstream, since the emergence of it. Key is "had always been"...there is a LOT of this that I've seen over the past 10+ years.

The global crash was a correction and the likely alternatives were actually much more negative in the spiritual sense...I think the strictly material aspects were less relevant. We needed to make the connection between the material and the spiritual. Things changed around that time too or shortly thereafter.

For certain, I can't always lay my fingers on all of it...but many events in the middle east are still constantly changing...in those cases, it seems the more progressive outcomes are finally "winning" for the arab world but just slightly (thus far). This is helping to tip the global scale to slightly positive (energywise), for spiritual evolution.

Also, real places, including public and private areas, parks, buildings, and such, are literally set up different now to what I remember, even having moved locations or reoriented completely (after being on foot, having walked the territory many times). When I've asked when X had been moved, or reoriented, etc...I've been told, it was "always like this". Historic maps (online, granted) confirm that it was "always like this". That's the thing...for them, apparently it has been. Only for me, it's different.

I will say I feel more grounded now than I did in the past...but I had attributed that to finally growing up!!! Anyway I can definitely sense when I come to a place and the earth vibes feel different than they did previously.

But none of this has affected my personal life noticeably in any measurable way. So I don't know why my memory is not as seamless. To make me more careful? LOL....

peace & blessings,
7L

[IsleWalker]

7L--

Ok. I think I understand where you're coming from on this. In science/psychics, it used to be that the Newtonian gravity-based theory was all anyone accepted, then it was Einstein's (although at first that was seen as too outrageous to conceive of). Now it seems science is moving toward the String Theory/M-theory/Quantum way of looking at things--and pretending they always have been.

Seeing the global economic failures as movement to more spiritual bases: I'd like to believe that, but I'm not entirely sure it won't just course-correct to another form of greed.

It has been as clear as day to me for a long time that societies need to have the sort of basic inalienable rights that Democracy talks about, and the idea of self-determination that capitalism implies WITH the Communist/Socialistic idea that society has an obligation to care for "the least of these"--the elderly, poor, ill. Therefore, arguments in the US about whether we offer healthcare are absurd.

And--at the base of the economic collapse --is the (first in the US) idea that anything that can make money should be done.

I feel there should be a commonly-accepted universal belief that only those things which offer some tangible, added-value to the society--should be allowed. It should be a moral thing, similar to how people think about inbreeding--it just isn't done because it damages the society in the long run.

But these are ideas that I really am not sure society will get to in my lifetime. And I've made myself crazy (and negative, nasty) with the thinking of them all the time.

I don't know how this transformation of earth to a high-vibrational planet will take place. I can only focus on me, put one foot in front of the other--and accept the rest. In their own ways, they are all doing the best they can.

So--you're not crazy--people DO often forget what was true last year. Internet has accelerated that kind of 1984-ish double-think, self-delusion.

But the world is the world. We ain't gonna change it. We can only change us.

Peace

Lora

[IsleWalker]

Just (re)watching one of the Through the Wormhole series with Morgan Freeman and something struck me.

Who says that because each galaxy in the Universe is expanding, that you can assume that at some point it was a "singularity"? I mean, the assumption is that because it is expanding, it was always expanding, at a a fixed rate through time. Couldn't it be just as plausible that it can expand for a while, contract for a while--in other words, that the Universe in not monolithic in how it acts, that acts are variable, reversible--always? Because some action is happening now, doesn't mean it's equal and opposite action is what happened before. (?)

I don't know if I explained that right. It's just--how can you ASSUME any premise just based on what one sees now?

Sorry to crash the thread--that was supposed to be about parallel universes.

Isle

Hi guys. Just wondering if anyone could explain the difference between another dimension and another universe?

[IsleWalker]

Originally Posted by Lainey

Hi guys. Just wondering if anyone could explain the difference between another dimension and another universe?

I'm not sure I know what I should about the subject, but it has been my understanding that Universe implies a physical, 3D dimension whereas "dimension" can refer to the (relatively few) physical dimensions AND/OR the infinitely many non-physical ones.

I think it is my own supposition that the 95% of dark matter is the consciousness/energy that comprise all those other dimensions.

Perhaps.

Lora

[wstein]

Originally Posted by Lainey

Hi guys. Just wondering if anyone could explain the difference between another dimension and another universe?

Depending on your views:
1) same thing
2) a dimension is a 'separate space' and a universe is a 'separate space' with the property of actualization (manifestation). i.e. a universe is a dimension with physical/energetic stuff in it
3) [scientific] a dimension is a variable that changes and a universe is a separate space with dimensions