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Old 02-06-2014, 11:54 PM
DayLight1555
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Does your self reincarnate or dies only once?

There are two beliefs systems. The Bible says: a man will die once and after that there is judgment. And that's it.

Then there is a system of belief that says that a soul reincarnates (jumps from body to body) until this soul gets evolved enough.

I think that both are true.

It just depends on whether you're talking about 3 dimensional self or multidimensional SELF.

The 3 dimensional self (also called "a personality") dies once and goes on to live in the afterlife. It does not come back to reincarnate over and over.

But the multidimensional SELF (your 3d self is a small part of it) keeps sending pieces of itself to reincarnate. (Kind of like sending seeds, which will grow into SELF (or will become the image of the SELF), it doesn't send the actual living beings)

So, as a multidimensional SELF, you reincarnate. As a 3d self you die once and live in the afterlife.

The little 3d selves each does its work as each one reincarnates. Each 3d self's work enriches all of the selves in the multidimensional SELF.

Imagine an ant hill. Each ant does its work. Your SELF is an ant hill. Its little parts are doing all the work.

The SELF grows through the work of each individual personality or 3d self.



Why is reincarnation necessary in the first place?

Well, the assumption is that a perfect being, perfect in love and in wisdom cannot be created. It has to evolve to get there.

The Bible glorifies suffering and says that we should be thankful for suffering. And the idea is that suffering is good for us.

It also says that God made Jesus perfect through suffering. Heb 2:10 In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God...should make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering.

So the idea in the Bible exists that suffering creates perfection.

Well, imagine this: if you went to "heaven" and God had to make you perfect in an instant, you would lose your identity. It wouldn't be you anymore. In effect, God would kill your identity.

God would not want to kill anyone, because then there is no point in their existence and all their experiences and this earthly life.

So that means that you get perfected through suffering.

What is suffering? Suffering is conflict. It's necessary for learning.

How could you know what you are and who you are if you never ran into resistance, into something that would test you? For example, in heaven no one is starving so no one would ever ask you to sacrifice your needs and to give bread to the needy instead of feeling yourself. How would you know if you would do it if it came to that? You have never been tested!

Well, maybe that's a bad example, because my point really is that you can LEARN goodness. Even if you started bad, you can learn it, you can change. So for example, if this spirit was sent from heaven to earth and then this spirit ran into this situation, the question is: will the spirit give bread to the needy?

Well, since the spirit never felt hunger, he would not understand what hungry people are going through. He would feel no motivation to share and to deprive himself. So in our eyes, this spirit is "bad"!

But imagine that this spirit became hungry himself and experienced starvation and watching people eating but not sharing... what would this spirit learn? Oh, that it's good to share. It's better to share.

So, spirits are on earth to live in resistance and in conflict on purpose. So that they could be made into better beings, so that they could evolve.

It's like working your muscles. If you don't stretch them, don't push them beyond what they are used to, a little bit, you won't grow.

Reincarnation is necessary for the Multidimensional Self in order for it to grow to be GOOD.

And each 3d self will have access to the experiences and database of knowledge of this SELF and have this goodness imparted to each little 3d self. Because each 3d little self is a part of the BIG SELF. They are one.


The Bible has this idea also. It teaches that the righteousness of Christ (aka: goodness and wisdom) is imparted to the members of each of the body of Christ (which is the church). The Bible also says that IN Christ we are righteous.

Christ and Jesus here are symbolically different.

Jesus represents each human being who is reincarnating and learning something (while adding to the perfection of the collective).

Christ represents a collective consciousness (as it says in the Bible that Christ is the spirit that fills everything and that Christians are members of "Christ" body.)

As each member of the body of Christ works on his little part of learning something (and adding to the Christ Collective consciousness), then Christ is being perfected.

Of course, from the perspective that "time not linear" all is done already. All are perfect. That's why the Bible sometimes says things like "it is done" before it was actually done in linear time. And that's why the Bible said that WE ARE SEATED in heavenly places (even now) IN Christ Jesus.

You could see this two ways: we are there as part of Christ Collective consciousness OR we are there because time doesn't exist and whatever will happen already happened.
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Old 03-06-2014, 12:44 AM
yumi14
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Wow. What a thought provoking post. Very insightful and a lot to ponder and digest. Thanks for posting this :)
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Old 17-06-2014, 10:09 AM
swisscub
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I personally don't believe in the idea of anything that stands in the bible about "dying only once" because hey - Jesus reincarnated, and don't forget: Jesus was once walking this plane, was amongst us and even better: he was ONE OF US...

My personal view on this, is that we're here, because we wanted it. Our soul uses our experiences here on earth (several hundrets, thousands and more depending on souls) to spiritually evolve.

Think of it as school where you have different chapters (different lives, with different situations and bodies, different hurdles and challenges to overcome and LEARN!) that evolve your soul.

Many come in for a short time, others for longer, each with a plan of what their bodies look like, what lessons are to be learned, and what new things are to be discovered. This can range from WHERE on earth you're being born, to what family you're being born into, and to what you MAKE out of the situation...

It truly is a thought-provoking topic, and whether you're spirital or not - everyone is gonna face this sooner or later in life, because we came here (we consciously decided this (in my personal view) to come here and learn our experience being human) and we won't even want to stay here forever (soul plan(s)!)

I believe that once we leave our physical bodies, we'll return "home", to whatever place you might imagine this is. We will return to remember who we truly are, where we truly come from and who our "true" selves and family are. That's right: Family, not families, because we all stem from the same divine source. And we will remember what this was all about. The whole experience on earth here, and we'll look back and see what the experience was all about and how we mastered it.

It's quite a grande topic that can be discussed to all extends, but that's roughly my personal opinion how I see the whole thing with "who we are" and "what we do" here on planet earth, in this body...)

It's also a comforting idea I believe, since it makes it so precious to enjoy and motivate what we do here and what we're here for... Don't you think so too!? :)
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