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But Stephen, are any of the failures with the medical establishment a surprise? I mean, consider that the pharmaceutical industry is the biggest financial supporter of medical schools which are supposed to educate the doctors. Consider that the pharmaceutical industry calls on doctors to teach the workshops that many doctors attend to keep abreast of developments. It's clearly a case where following the money reveals the bias towards keeping the status quo going.

And not only are those doctors being misdirected often towards 'pills' as the source of healing, but the amount of education as to the benefits of a whole food diet, is practically non-existent. I once Googled the question: How much nutrition education do doctors get? I found a forum which was discussing it and one commenter was a doctor and he said that in his four or six years in school, he had one six hour class and it was mostly looking at supplements. Not a good basis for understanding the healthy human body is it?

Your wife's numbers are amazing and getting rid of the allergies and pills! Do you think her doctor has taken note of any of this and been impacted as far as his practise and other patients are concerned? Or is her improvement being written off to 'aberration'?

Originally Posted by sesheta

And it's so unappealing to sit down, eat just a small amount of "real food" - then swallow 6-8 vitamins and supplements to make up the difference...I find that depressing...I will take real food any day :)

One of the interesting dirty secrets about vitamins today is that science is only aware of a very few of them... they extract those few and raise them on
the platform as "necessary"... though deep throughout food is a broad spectrum of other things going-on that science has yet to discover... live
food is alive for a reason... kill it, extract it, and try and feed this to other live beings? ...since the chain has been broken the value of that food is
now compromised... it would seem that the best you could get from supplements would be the accompanying trace elements... but then the
fillers and chemicals used for binding and preserving may negate even that... may leave the body with the task of disposing these supplements as
unusable and perhaps even hostile... Live foods are complete and are specifically what the body spent millions of years learning to draw its
nutrients from.. ...the idea that we can boil-down, extract, powder, then compress into a format that the body can successfully navigate is to
assume that we're clear as to what's actually going on.... I suspect that the body dumps most, if not all of it.. and then begs it's charge (each of us) for
a salad! :^)

Originally Posted by DebbyM

Your wife's numbers are amazing and getting rid of the allergies and pills! Do you think her doctor has taken note of any of this and been impacted as far as his practise and other patients are concerned? Or is her improvement being written off to 'aberration'?

Amen to everything you said Debby! :^)

And the biggest problem that my wife is having with her personal doctors is their inability to hear what she's saying.. these doctors have a script of
that they "think" nutrition is... my wife will almost instantly stray outside that script the moment she starts giving the doctors feedback... they either
ignore what she's saying, or tell her she's wrong, and they then try to steer back into the same eating habits that were the cause of her problems all
along... She's had several doctors she'd dropped or that turned close-mouthed, even subtly hostile, to anything she's had to say... they blithely
write her off as a nut... she's clearly outside their conditioning-zone...

The sad thing about this was her early eagerness to share with our long-time female family doctor the wonderful progress she was making on all fronts... she
left this woman's office so angry.. and realized she'd have to keep this all mostly to herself...

She did have a doctor here recently that was notably shocked by her cholesterol numbers... he was legitimately curious, but couldn't quite groke
what she was saying... so simple... and yet so over their heads...

Modern medicine trains these doctors within an inch of their lives...it's a shame they don't actually "educate" 'em...!

Originally Posted by StephenK

Amen to everything you said Debby! :^)

And the biggest problem that my wife is having with her personal doctors is their inability to hear what she's saying.. ..............................................Mode rn medicine trains these doctors within an inch of their lives...it's a shame they don't actually "educate" 'em...!

Your last words were my favourite and so true sadly enough. When I was just rereading my last post to you (to remember where we were), and I mentioned that part of a '6 hour nutrition course not being enough time to understand the healthy human body', the thought suddenly occurred to me that that's where they should be starting in medical schools. It seems to me that if doctors understand what makes it work right, then when something goes wrong in whatever area, they'd have a better chance of figuring out how to get it back on course properly. Seems the whole notion of treating the disease as an isolated 'entity' is ignoring a lot of useful information.

Sigggghhh----it's a cross to bear isn't it, being so smart about our health and having to put up with the (ignorant) specialists who call us kooks. Oh well, they say stuff like that is character building. Your wife must really be developing nicely in that regard. Oh well, maybe she put a bee in the bonnet of that doctor who will one day wake up to the truth. Tell her not to loose hope.

Yes, doctors are indeed strange sometimes...my own family doctor, who has been seeing me literally since I was born, always asks me the same question when I go in to see him: "Do you eat meat? You're really pale - are you eating?"
And I answer the same thing - yes, I'm eating - yes, I eat meat almost every day...blah, blah, blah....." I never understand this - I have always been pale, this is nothing new! Doctors always want me to take an iron supplement, because they think my iron is low. I've tried and, every time I do, I get headaches and feel "icky" so I stop taking it. I think they've pretty much given up on that front, because I feel better without the extra iron!! If I want more iron...I'll eat a spinach salad (yummy!) Or take some blackstrap molasses, which is again a very yummy way of getting extra iron when you need a boost :)

Originally Posted by DebbyM

Sigggghhh----it's a cross to bear isn't it, being so smart about our health and having to put up with the (ignorant) specialists who call us kooks. Oh well, they say stuff like that is character building. Your wife must really be developing nicely in that regard. Oh well, maybe she put a bee in the bonnet of that doctor who will one day wake up to the truth. Tell her not to loose hope.

I was just listening to a podcast while working today and ran across this tidbit during the interview that sent shivers down my spin... start at 47
minutes into the interview for the setup and then listen-on from there:

Ask Sally Fallon
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/undergroundwellness/2010/06/17/ask-sally-fallon

She referred to a building-catastrophe-of-health as a "natural selection of the wise" .... that lab animals when subjected to industrial foods only make
it through 3 to 4 generations and start to die-off, either through natural sterilization or by their children not making it to adulthood....

She said we've entered into the 3rd generation exposure to these foods (and it's getting worse.. monsanto is trying to get permission to use ~Agent Orange~
on the newer genetically modified crops..! The roundup approach is starting to collapse... there are now 13 variety of weeds in the US that
have evolved a resistance to roundup... the fields are starting to choke with these weeds...enter Agent Orange... these people are nuts!) (where
was I?... oh yea..) type 2 diabetes was an old persons disease and is now occurring in younger and younger kids... same with heart problems, cancer,
you name it... it seems it's these kids trying to have kids is where the horror deepens more.... and medicine isn't even playing in the same field...
they're not remotely able to help this horrific slide in the least... in some ways they're as much a problem as-is the SAD diet!

Those of us who are waking-up, and adjust accordingly, will go-on in good health... but those who remain wed to this current direction will not be
around much longer.... it's creepy cause my wife sees this happening at work... we can see it happening when observing the people around us... a
title wave looms and those paying attention better toss aside their old habits and start heading for a higher, more nutrient-dense ground!

I came across a website a short time ago that was devoted to getting justice for Vietnamese people who'd been alive at the time that Agent Orange was sprayed all over them. Oh my gosh, the deformities of those poor people and the children they bore later. Just awful. And right around that time I also read that Monsanto was pushing for rights to use the chief component of AO on fields. I wasn't sure of why they wanted to start using it, but what you said Sally Fallon stated, makes sense.

It just baffles me that the 'authorities' think all of this is ok! That they can't see what they're doing. Do you think they can't, or won't or.....like I said, baffled.

It's late here and I'm finished for the day but tomorrow I'll probably listen to the link you provided. Thanks for that.

Originally Posted by DebbyM

It just baffles me that the 'authorities' think all of this is ok! That they can't see what they're doing. Do you think they can't, or won't or.....like I said, baffled. .

I don't know.... but I'm not waiting to find out....

I wrote this on another forum and want to repeat it here... it's clear that we're needing to consciously follow this formula, for
to do otherwise is provably dangerous....

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The center of the store is processed and empty foods... the outside walls of the store is where the healthy foods are... pick through those carefully
as well... If it comes in a box, ignore it, if it's powdered, pureed, reconstituted or seriously altered in any way, step past it... you're looking
for whole foods... nothing low or no fat.... avoid grains... if it's been processed ignore it.... move on....

Organic is preferable... it's more nutrient dense, and by default assists the organic farmer who's continually working hard to lend us a nutritional lifeboat....

At no point in history have we been out on this limb... processed dead foods as the mainstay... those who eat it are dieing, those who avoid it are
thriving... the pathway to travel is clear... in a way it's a game.... a very serious game.... those who play it wisely will likely do fine..... while those who
follow the herds are in trouble.....

It is indeed scary to think of how people's eating habits have changed! I work in telephone customer service, and we service some prepaid credit cards that are marketed & sold in the USA (I'm in Canada). Looking at the transactions on some of these peoples' cards makes my stomach turn!! A lot of them have daily (and I mean literally daily) fast food purchases! There was one that I counted, and it had no less than 7 fast food purchases in a 4 day timespan!! I can't even imagine.....And worse is that people are raising their kids to think this is "normal"! Ugghhh....
One of my favorite TV shows, Babylon 5, had a scene that made me laugh. The doctor on the show was talking to one of the other characters, who was making a meal that was really high in fat, etc...and the doctor simply responds:
"I can feel my arteries hardening just being the same room with it!"
LOLOLOL

Originally Posted by sesheta

A lot of them have daily (and I mean literally daily) fast food purchases! There was one that I counted, and it had no less than 7 fast food purchases in a 4 day timespan!! I can't even imagine.....And worse is that people are raising their kids to think this is "normal"! Ugghhh....

I was trying to remember how many times our family went to a fast food restaurant when I was growing up... maybe 5 or 10 times throughout my
early youth!? I graduated from high school in 1972, and back-when fast food was an oddity.... when I think back on it we ate pretty well... mostly
whole foods, with very few hidden ingredients, all home made meals... most of the modern chemicals hadn't been invented yet... ...this was the way it was
done in our family, and the families around us... now it's all chemicalized industrial concoctions... back in my day, chicken was chicken...

...look at the stuff they're now feeding young bodies as though their digestive systems were garbage cans, filled with rocks and old
newspapers.... nutrition has become a nonstarter... it's like it's not even an issue....

So What Really Is In A McDonald's Chicken McNugget?
http://www.viewzone.com/mcnuggets.html

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