Can't make a decision.....

[starnight1]

Living in this non duality consciousness, feel so hard to make a decision....
for example, I want to become a better person earn more money, more successful, more attractive.
then I realize I m non duality being,i don't need to become a better person don't need to earn more money or more attractive.
because who I m right now is also a version of the Oneness,Oneness chosed this way to experience the earth life to be poor and unattractive.

If I want to be more successful more money more attractive, that can be fulfilled too, and in other versions of me I m already that way.

So, finally , all I need to do is staying as the same, no change, nothing to do....
just accept and enjoy the current situation as whatever it is......since it is Source wanted me to "experience" in this incarnation.....if I want too much , that is from my disbelief the ego and duality mind.

How do u think?

Thank u。

[Melahin]

I don't really think. I feel. I live. I love.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by starnight1

Living in this non duality consciousness, feel so hard to make a decision....
for example, I want to become a better person earn more money, more successful, more attractive.
then I realize I m non duality being,i don't need to become a better person don't need to earn more money or more attractive.
because who I m right now is also a version of the Oneness,Oneness chosed this way to experience the earth life to be poor and unattractive.

If I want to be more successful more money more attractive, that can be fulfilled too, and in other versions of me I m already that way.

So, finally , all I need to do is staying as the same, no change, nothing to do....
just accept and enjoy the current situation as whatever it is......since it is Source wanted me to "experience" in this incarnation.....if I want too much , that is from my disbelief the ego and duality mind.

How do u think?

Thank u。

Whatever you do it will be Oneness looking and feeling like you doing it. It feels like you deciding and doing but it never has been, is not now, and never will be. For that reason there is no you to get anything wrong or be somehow not a genuine nondual person:). No matter what you do it will be Oneness appearing to do it by and to 'itself'.

From a nondual perspective there is only the appearance of separate people where there are no separate people whatsoever, yet we are conditioned to believe that there are, understandably so, as separation looks so convincingly solid. In this sense nonduality is madness because it flies in the face of our experience:)

Despite that challenge (which is too much for some) it seems nonduality can nevertheless resonate with some characters to end the feeling of disconnection, no matter what state you are in. for Oneness is all states.

Good Luck.

[inavalan]

You manifested in this world to experience duality.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by starnight1

Living in this non duality consciousness, feel so hard to make a decision....
for example, I want to become a better person earn more money, more successful, more attractive.
then I realize I m non duality being,i don't need to become a better person don't need to earn more money or more attractive.
because who I m right now is also a version of the Oneness,Oneness chosed this way to experience the earth life to be poor and unattractive.

If I want to be more successful more money more attractive, that can be fulfilled too, and in other versions of me I m already that way.

So, finally , all I need to do is staying as the same, no change, nothing to do....
just accept and enjoy the current situation as whatever it is......since it is Source wanted me to "experience" in this incarnation.....if I want too much , that is from my disbelief the ego and duality mind.

How do u think?

Thank u。

Perhaps we have to differentiate between Oneness (or the Self) and Consciousness.

While some people may declare there is only limitless unchanging Oneness, we are also Consciousness experiencing the limited worlds of form, as inavalan says.

The Self is the Self, whatever our personal circumstances. Changing our personal circumstances has no effect on the Self.

But as Consciousness experiencing form, we cannot do nothing. We are bound to act, even while knowing that the Self does not act.

Does Source really want us to experience particular things? Does Oneness really choose to be poor or rich, beautiful or unattractive? Or is it Consciousness that chooses particular experiences in a particular environment for its own learning?

We live in a paradox. We choose and we do not choose. We act and we do not act. We may accept the reality of each moment without resistance, but we can also change all future moments by our choices in this moment.

So by all means try doing nothing, try staying the same, try not changing. But you will find that you cannot do nothing and change will happen. So the question is, are you fulfilled? Are you happy with your current circumstances? If so, great. If not, then only you can change your experience. We are all actors in a play but we are also writing this play.

Peace.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Perhaps we have to differentiate between Oneness (or the Self) and Consciousness.

While some people may declare there is only limitless unchanging Oneness, we are also Consciousness experiencing the limited worlds of form, as inavalan says.

The Self is the Self, whatever our personal circumstances. Changing our personal circumstances has no effect on the Self.

But as Consciousness experiencing form, we cannot do nothing. We are bound to act, even while knowing that the Self does not act.

Does Source really want us to experience particular things? Does Oneness really choose to be poor or rich, beautiful or unattractive? Or is it Consciousness that chooses particular experiences in a particular environment for its own learning?

Speaking of the 'difference', or is it the 'connection' between 'the Self' and 'Consciousness', from Can We Talk to God?: Ebell Lectures, by Ernest Holmes:

No matter how seemingly impossible any situation may be, or how difficult the appearance of any problem may appear, you must never become discouraged. You must continue to do your work knowing full well that you are dealing with the invisible Divine Presence and Principle–the great Reality back of everything.

It would be impossible for you to do this unless you are firmly convinced that Mind is the only creative agency in the universe and that you have direct and conscious access to Its creativity. Moreover, you must be conscious that through right thought and true statements you are making constructive use of the Law of Mind.

Humanity's thought is the activity of Mind, for Mind without thought or directed consciousness would have no real existence. There can be no existence apart from consciousness, or if there be any existence apart from consciousness then there is no one, no thing and no intelligence to be aware of such existence. It is evident that without self-awareness there is not only no realization of life, but no life to be realized.

Hence, again you must affirm that Mind in action is Its own Law of fulfillment. When you understand this you will not become discouraged. You will know that if you persist in declaring the truth, the pathway to Reality will be cleared, obstructions will be removed, wrong conditions will be resolved. It follows that you will be happy because you are sure; doubts no longer assail you, fear does not possess you, negation no longer obsesses your thought, and you continue to make your declarations with calm confidence and with Divine assurance.

You must be careful never to despise your body, certainly never to deny its reality or the reality of any of its organs or functions. There is nothing wrong with the sum total of spiritual Right Ideas that make up your body. Every organ and every function of the human body has a Universal Prototype behind it. They are Ideas in the Mind of God, and perfect Ideas.

You must understand the harmonious arrangement of these Ideas, the unified and harmonious action between them. Your word affirms that the spiritual Idea is now manifested in the flesh–in every organ and function. Most certainly, you never deny that there is a body; you merely affirm that the body is a spiritual Idea right now.

[starnight1]

If we give up the "Trying ", give up totally,
will the Oneness/Source come, and do ?

and only when we really reach the level of "giving up",only then I guess the Source will come?

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by starnight1

If we give up the "Trying ", give up totally,
will the Oneness/Source come, and do ?

and only when we really reach the level of "giving up",only then I guess the Source will come?

Source (Oneness) is all there is! It doesn't "come" or require any "giving up". It is already what you think and feel you are right now! It is already Oneness (Source) feeling that you are separate. If that feeling ends you will indeed feel better but you will not be any MORE connected to Oneness than you are right now!!

[Jyotir]

Hi starnight1,

Giving up, despair is not the answer, nor is it some mysteriously efficacious formula for success.
In the physical universe work is unavoidable, so giving up is a debilitating and ultimately impossible avoidance of responsibility.
Rather, yoga in the true sense deals with the mastery of life energy toward the fulfillment of divine purpose for each individual.

Suggest that you read about Karma Yoga.
Swami Vivekananda or Sri Aurobindo are good resources for that subject.

The reason that suggestion is given is because Karma Yoga deals with the divine Will in the dynamic physical aspect of existence, and in that regard, Aurobindo’s Integral Yoga (see 'The Synthesis of Yoga') may be more helpful for the following reasons.

Oneness is easier to imagine as static and undifferentiated, and that is the traditional preference for non-duality. However, Oneness is also extant in-and-of the differentiated multiplicity of Nature just the same. But in that form it is more difficult to reckon with, especially in the current era, and thus can become confusing, even stultifying to some aspirants so focused.

It is within that field of differentiation - the physical interactive interdependent unity - where Karma Yoga can be a significant and useful augmentation to the far-flung abstractions of Advaita - which can easily become confusing to aspirants who cannot in this age afford the luxury of living in isolation on a rural mountain-side in a loincloth - but must live and work in densely populated urban environments and deal daily and momentarily with pressing practical issues of life.

In this era, the emerging spiritual aspiration can be fulfilled more completely (and less conflicted or confusingly) by the mutual augmentation of the integral approach.



~ J

[starnight1]

Originally Posted by Jyotir

Hi starnight1,

Giving up, despair is not the answer, nor is it some mysteriously efficacious formula for success.
In the physical universe work is unavoidable, so giving up is a debilitating and ultimately impossible avoidance of responsibility.
Rather, yoga in the true sense deals with the mastery of life energy toward the fulfillment of divine purpose for each individual.

Suggest that you read about Karma Yoga.
Swami Vivekananda or Sri Aurobindo are good resources for that subject.

The reason that suggestion is given is because Karma Yoga deals with the divine Will in the dynamic physical aspect of existence, and in that regard, Aurobindo’s Integral Yoga (see 'The Synthesis of Yoga') may be more helpful for the following reasons.

Oneness is easier to imagine as static and undifferentiated, and that is the traditional preference for non-duality. However, Oneness is also extant in-and-of the differentiated multiplicity of Nature just the same. But in that form it is more difficult to reckon with, especially in the current era, and thus can become confusing, even stultifying to some aspirants so focused.

It is within that field of differentiation - the physical interactive interdependent unity - where Karma Yoga can be a significant and useful augmentation to the far-flung abstractions of Advaita - which can easily become confusing to aspirants who cannot in this age afford the luxury of living in isolation on a rural mountain-side in a loincloth - but must live and work in densely populated urban environments and deal daily and momentarily with pressing practical issues of life.

In this era, the emerging spiritual aspiration can be fulfilled more completely (and less conflicted or confusingly) by the mutual augmentation of the integral approach.



~ J

Yes， I know about karma yoga and practicing it for a while, I don't know much about Integral Yoga, though I thought it maybe combine the yoga together is integral yoga?

what I feel now by the replies, karma is also part of the dance of Oneness/Source.

I v been also thinking about the lower self and higher self, but now I feel they r One too, if we dive into our belly, that 's place they r into ONE.