The 'no God' spirituality.

[markings]

Originally Posted by jimrich

Please define or explain "god". Folks talk about "god" as though it is perfectly understood what "god" is so of course nobody could be this "god" and yet, why not? - depending on one's definition of "god"? I am god! Do you want my definition of 'god"?

OK, give your definition.

[jimrich]

Originally Posted by Honza

If you think about it

I, jim, don't think about it. I, Awareness, don't NEED TO.

....it is a harsh thing to tell someone like the Native Americans or Jews who have been subject to genocide that in fact it is all their own will.

There' no such things as "their own will". There's only Divine Will ("They will, not my will, be done!"). When one begins to acknowledge that this entire cosmic drama is being done by, for and OF god or the Source, it all make sense even if you, a person, do not "like it". I, jim, don't like what happened to the Natives and those slaughtered by the Nazis. I, Source, know this is only a dream.

I really cannot help thinking that something terribly wrong has happened to cause such events.

The separate 'me' will never understand what is actually happening in this cosmic dream.

The West explains it by calling it the fall from grace. The East however says it is all our own will. It is a dilemma.

I say there is no such thing as "our own will" - there is only the will of That. That grows hair, finger nails; divides cells; digests food; belches; farts; sweats; and a lot of other actions that the individual does not "do". Things simply happen. Life goes on. Do whatever you think is OK or that you can get away with because it's all being "done by" That - the underlying nameless Reality. Actually, being done by, is not the truth. All of the creation IS THAT. Love it or hate it - it just is. This does not condone or even explain ugliness and ugly happenings - they just are and whatever comes out of this ugliness, like the Holocaust is what happens. Being upset about what Europeans did to the Natives here and the Holocaust is what's happening. Sitting here typing this message is happening. If you, Honza, (or anyone else) type a response, it will just happen (or not). As Natalie Gray says, "It will be the Absolute, appearing as the form of a person, apparently typing a response on another form (keyboard), which is also the Absolute, to another form, jim, that the Absolute is also appearing to be. Everything in that drama IS the Absolute playing in its own cosmic dream so, play on............this is all YOU.

[jimrich]

Originally Posted by markings

OK, give your definition.

My definition of god is: __________________________________________________ ______________________________( )

[Baile]

Originally Posted by markings

OK, give your definition [of God].

What is the point of peoples' various intellectual definitions of God? Of trying to define a thing, that may or may not exist, and that one couldn't possibly fathom even if it did exist? That to me really is the epitome of a time-wasting exercise.

Human-created concepts like "God" make absolutely no difference to my spiritual path. That's my personal definition... or as much as I think about it anyway.

[Honza]

It is like this thing has no sympathy for people. You will say it IS people. But it still seems to lack any compassion whatsoever. I'd quite like to see a large brick hit I AM directly upon the nose and see if it is so smug then.

People and animals express compassion, care and sympathy - but the reality which some of you guys describe doesn't really. Outer space is a remorseless fact. It sounds like I AM is remarkably similar.

"Shouting into the storm" is me with regards to the I AM. One day my futile resistance will erased completely and my life will be smothered and my personality and ego crushed.

[Baile]

Originally Posted by Honza

I'd quite like to see a large brick hit I AM directly upon the nose and see if it is so smug then.

That's your ego that wants to do that.

Originally Posted by Honza

One day my futile resistance will erased completely and my life will be smothered and my personality and ego crushed.

You could start that process today, by transforming your ego-need to throw bricks at things you have chosen to be upset with. Being spiritual doesn't require God, it only requires taking moral self-responsibility for one's thoughts and actions. That's why I have no interest in intellectual imaginations about God. I'm too busy working on my real-life self.

[linen53]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Oops, lol, Honza's not going to like that !! LOL! Watch!

I'm not saying I don't believe in a Divine Creator (I do!) I just can't picture it as a person. I'd think more in the lines of Divine Consciousness. That rings a bell with me. But I'd rather wait till I know for sure before painting my picture. Having been raised Christian and then rejecting that figure later in life I'm a bit skeptical of taking on a new figure-head.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by linen53

I'm not saying I don't believe in a Divine Creator (I do!) I just can't picture it as a person. I'd think more in the lines of Divine Consciousness. That rings a bell with me.
But I'd rather wait till I know for sure before painting my picture. Having been raised Christian and then rejecting that figure later in life I'm a bit skeptical of taking on a new figure-head.

I was thinking Honza might not relate to "Higher Self", LOL!
Divine Consciousness...YES!
Yes, most of us come from that Judeo-Christian paradigm! I know.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Honza

It is like this thing has no sympathy...
But it still seems to lack any compassion whatsoever. .

Oh my goodness, Honza did those sentences wake me up this morning. Anyone reading here that might think of
this Sacred Spirit or God as impersonal..
let me tell you from my personal experience... and of course you do not know me from Adam...
This Being is nothing if not (((Pure Feelings))).
I have been imbued in my life supernaturally with feeling this
Creator's unquenchable compassion within me...and the pain and utter sadness over some events.
'He' is nothing but a sacred, innocent, bleeding, vulnerable Heart.

I understand if someone is coming from mere concepts...but, if you are
ever graced to be given direct Divine Insights ...you will be writing me
and saying, "Oh my God, were you right, Miss Hepburn...He is love and
compassion unimaginable! And there is no escaping 'Him'...He is everywhere in me and around me with this love!"

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Baile

What is the point of peoples' various intellectual definitions of God?

I agree.
Have a direct experience for yourself or go to the back of the room
and don't raise your had again with your ''opinions''.
Waste of my time,
I mean it;
Intellectual, philosophical waste of my time.

But, I get it, it is what the mind 'does'. So, oh well.