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22-05-2014, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by No-thing-ness
But those not yet ready to look within, they need to attach themselves to a religion; they need a crutch to grab hold of - I did! I am grateful to have experienced the religions I did for they gave me a deeper understanding of religion and its control over the believer. It serves a necessary purpose.
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If you were part of a religious group that exerted control over people, that doesn't mean that all religion is like that. That's like saying all women are manipulators of men because a woman had manipulated me. It's basically prejudice, which can happen when people have a negative experience.
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22-05-2014, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Seawolf
All spiritual beliefs are theories, because they're based on faith. For instance, you might believe that there is force of good in the universe. Or you might believe that all will work out in the end. Or that we are all one, or the universe is One. Those are called 'spiritual beliefs', and as you say, we are all taught these things by our environment because that's the way the human mind works.
There is a movement right now to try to separate ourselves from each other by denying having spiritual beliefs. This is the same thing people have always done -- to build up our ego by telling ourselves we have something different and better. But in reality, we are not as different from others as we think we are.
We all have spiritual beliefs, which are theories. We are all 'indoctrinated' -- meaning our beliefs are learned. Our beliefs are sometimes called 'doctrines', because that word means 'spiritual beliefs'. If we think what we believe is true, for instance that there is a force of good in the Universe, that is called dogma - which means thinking that what you believe is true.
There are some that are too dogmatic, there are groups that are forceful of their beliefs. But those are the minority in religion and spirituality. Most people just enjoy their beliefs and are not any less spiritual, less spiritual experiences, or less 'awakening' than you or I. It's just the same old cycle of ego that says we have something all the others don't or are different than all the others by claiming to not have beliefs.
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Drop all beliefs. Have none. Instead have an enquiring mind. Explore.This is frowned upon by all major organised religions, and thus is mind control - or you are being conditioned to believe what they tell you; which is still mind control.
All beliefs are unknowings, which is why faith is brought into the equation. Religion, the exoteric side of religion is for the masses, the good stuff - the esoteric is hidden from the masses.
Jesus, son of g_d - well, thats the Sun - that big yellow ball in the sky!
12 disciples - 12 Houses of the Zodia
Judas - represents the ego(mind/lower nature
Mary(mother) - represents the feminine
Joseph - represents the masculine
Trinity - The Sun, Moon and Mother Earth.
Christianity has debatable 'origins'. The Council of Nicea makes for interesting reading!
And as we all live in a world built upon concepts then I'd like to say claiming to be a spiritual person is meaningless. People make a religion out of being spiritual!!!
The bible is not to be taken literally - but allegorically.
However if you want to remain faithful! to the stories then fine! Believe all you want!Not a problem.
Its good to talk 
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“Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.”
'In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination.'
'Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion -- several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight.'
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22-05-2014, 11:34 PM
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Drop all beliefs. Have none.
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That's an awfully strange thing to say, you've mentioned several of your spiritual beliefs. It's popular in New Age today for people to deny having spiritual beliefs, but it's kind of ridiculous considering they have spiritual beliefs just like anyone else. It's basically just a way to tell yourself you have something better than all the others, understand something they don't, etc. You might find later that you're not all that different than 'those people' who have spiritual beliefs.
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22-05-2014, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Seawolf
If you were part of a religious group that exerted control over people, that doesn't mean that all religion is like that. That's like saying all women are manipulators of men because a woman had manipulated me. It's basically prejudice, which can happen when people have a negative experience.
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Seawolf - we are all manipulators! Both genders! That is irrelevant.
All organised religions are tools of control - I saw it in my mother who was a lapsed catholic! The conditioning was shocking - all for what, a myth! A fairy tale! I know another lady who is a catholic who is frightened of dying because she believes she's going to hell! She's in her 40's!
Call it either mind control or conditioning, it matters not. To hold onto beliefs is futile, we are here to experience not to stagnate in the juices of other peoples stories(belief systems/religions).
Live from the Heart.
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Mark Twain Quotes -
“Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.”
'In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination.'
'Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion -- several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight.'
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22-05-2014, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by No-thing-ness
Drop all beliefs. Have none. Instead have an enquiring mind. Explore.This is frowned upon by all major organised religions, and thus is mind control - or you are being conditioned to believe what they tell you; which is still mind control.
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LOL the intolerance never ends. Anyway good luck.
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22-05-2014, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by No-thing-ness
Seawolf - we are all manipulators! Both genders! That is irrelevant.
All organised religions are tools of control - I saw it in my mother who was a lapsed catholic! The conditioning was shocking - all for what, a myth! A fairy tale! I know another lady who is a catholic who is frightened of dying because she believes she's going to hell! She's in her 40's!
Call it either mind control or conditioning, it matters not. To hold onto beliefs is futile, we are here to experience not to stagnate in the juices of other peoples stories(belief systems/religions).
Live from the Heart.
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Again, it's sad that you've had a bad experience with religion, but it's not all like that. It's illogical to condemn thousands of religions just because you had a bad experience in one branch of one religion. I'm not saying you should not be angry, just that all of religion is not like that.
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22-05-2014, 11:45 PM
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Curious ? I thought I'd answered this one.
What is " The Image of God?"
You.. You are creation in it's manifested form.
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23-05-2014, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Seawolf
Again, it's sad that you've had a bad experience with religion, but it's not all like that. It's illogical to condemn thousands of religions just because you had a bad experience in one branch of one religion. I'm not saying you should not be angry, just that all of religion is not like that.
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Seawolf, what I write is based on experience. And no experience is either good or bad, as these are yet more labels! We are Life Unfolding, and some of us enter what is labeled religion to experience being mind controlled; this is perfectly fine! Its what must be experienced because it is being experienced.
Now lets clear up one thing - I am not angry, the anger you are 'seeing' is happening within your mental arena and not in mine! I am merely expressing my views based upon my experience, I am not in control(hehe)of what happens in your mind! If you think I am angry then it is something occurring within you and you need to explore this.
I have been anger free for many months - even when I stood in doggy doo I smiled! You cannot argue with Reality as it has a 100% win rate!!!
This has been my confession! Anyone else like Robert Adams?!?!
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Mark Twain Quotes -
“Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.”
'In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination.'
'Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion -- several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight.'
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23-05-2014, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Neville
Curious ? I thought I'd answered this one.
What is " The Image of God?"
You.. You are creation in it's manifested form.
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YES!
In fact sweet!
Oneness Unfolding infinitely.......................
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Mark Twain Quotes -
“Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.”
'In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination.'
'Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion -- several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight.'
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23-05-2014, 02:43 PM
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Seawolf, what I write is based on experience. And no experience is either good or bad, as these are yet more labels! We are Life Unfolding, and some of us enter what is labeled religion to experience being mind controlled; this is perfectly fine! Its what must be experienced because it is being experienced.
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You're able to have your own opinions, I'm not saying you can't. All I'm saying is that painting all religion as mind control based on a bad experience with one branch of one religion is not logical. That's like saying all Jewish people are thieves because one Jewish person stole from me, it's basically prejudice, which you're perfectly within your right to have.
Anger against Christianity has risen to the point where people think it is 'spiritual' to be prejudiced against it, and deny having anger because they are afraid of having any negative emotion. Anger is a natural human emotion though, it's nothing to be afraid of, but rather to face and try to realize the root cause.
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