do human souls in astral know there dead?

[David mc]

I was just wandering after reading several books on astral travel ,do the people there know there actually dead and that they are eternal? and has anyone directly talked to a being in astral travel about this?

[inavalan]

It depends what you call astral ... There are various planes. There is the plane where you project when you dream (including astral projection) where you "meet" entities your subconscious created, be they completely imaginary, or materializations of the messages you perceive from other planes. There is another plane where your higher self / essence resides, where you go after death. Over there there might also be "freshly" dead that aren't yet aware who they are, that they're dead, or believe to have reached a heaven or hell, as their beliefs are.

[David mc]

thank you so does that mean that astral travel is all created by the human brain and you don't actually leave your body?I'm other words all just biological imagination

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by David mc

thank you so does that mean that astral travel is all created by the human brain and you don't actually leave your body?I'm other words all just biological imagination

The way I understand it, you can project (by this I mean change your focus of attention) on various planes. The normal astral projection / out-of-body-experience / lucid dreaming means focusing your attention on the imagination plane (which is still a different plane than the physical plane). You can also project on the afterlife plane, but you have to go a different route. One way is life-between-lives regression.

[David mc]

Very interesting stuff indeed I've read Robert a Monroe's books and he said because of his out of body experience s the proof for life after death is irrefutable.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by David mc

Very interesting stuff indeed I've read Robert a Monroe's books and he said because of his out of body experience s the proof for life after death is irrefutable.

There are tons of books, and gurus. Some of them have similar takes, others' are widely different.

I've read, and still read, a lot about these things. Eventually, I reached the conclusion that in these matters you can't trust anybody, and you can't trust your judgement either. Honest people have vastly different perceptions (everybody creates their own reality based on their beliefs and emotions), and we're trying to understand things that are well "over our heads". I believe that the only way to try to form an opinion is to investigate yourself, to learn how to and have experiences to collect your own impressions. I recommend self-hypnosis, over meditation, because you can get results much sooner, and more reliably.

[Struggler]

Originally Posted by inavalan

There are tons of books, and gurus. Some of them have similar takes, others' are widely different.

I've read, and still read, a lot about these things. Eventually, I reached the conclusion that in these matters you can't trust anybody, and you can't trust your judgement either. Honest people have vastly different perceptions (everybody creates their own reality based on their beliefs and emotions), and we're trying to understand things that are well "over our heads". I believe that the only way to try to form an opinion is to investigate yourself, to learn how to and have experiences to collect your own impressions. I recommend self-hypnosis, over meditation, because you can get results much sooner, and more reliably.

But there are experiments proving astral projection is real.

Look for a video called "Experiments Proving Astral Projection is Real" on Youtube. Go to the 7:05 time mark.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by Struggler

But there are experiments proving astral projection is real.

Look for a video called "Experiments Proving Astral Projection is Real" on Youtube. Go to the 7:05 time mark.

Not sure what you mean by "is real" (I haven't checked the video you recommended yet).

My view is that "astral projection" is as real as dreaming, imagining, channeling, nde-ing, even ... dying. It is a matter of focusing your mind away of the physical plane. When one astral projects (out-of body and lucid dreaming are the same thing) you focus your attention onto your own exclusive slice of the imagination plane. From there (a non-physical plane), as directly from here (physical), you can re-focus on other planes, like the afterlife plane, but it isn't easier, nor better, nor helpful to firstly astral project.

[Struggler]

Originally Posted by inavalan

Not sure what you mean by "is real" (I haven't checked the video you recommended yet).

My view is that "astral projection" is as real as dreaming, imagining, channeling, nde-ing, even ... dying. It is a matter of focusing your mind away of the physical plane. When one astral projects (out-of body and lucid dreaming are the same thing) you focus your attention onto your own exclusive slice of the imagination plane. From there (a non-physical plane), as directly from here (physical), you can re-focus on other planes, like the afterlife plane, but it isn't easier, nor better, nor helpful to firstly astral project.

The thing is, the "real world" is also a dream, it just so happens to be more "solid" than the astral or other dimensions (but psychic abilities and magick still exist, though are hard to perform, in the main reality).
You are correct about one "focusing" our attention on other plane of existence. The thing is, the "real time zone" of the astral plane overlaps the "real world", so the astral and reality can (and do) interact. It's not just slices of imagination. You could astrally project into a military base and do espionage, for example (EDIT: you shouldnt, of course, try to do that).

[astralsuzy]

Originally Posted by inavalan

There are tons of books, and gurus. Some of them have similar takes, others' are widely different.

I've read, and still read, a lot about these things. Eventually, I reached the conclusion that in these matters you can't trust anybody, and you can't trust your judgement either. Honest people have vastly different perceptions (everybody creates their own reality based on their beliefs and emotions), and we're trying to understand things that are well "over our heads". I believe that the only way to try to form an opinion is to investigate yourself, to learn how to and have experiences to collect your own impressions. I recommend self-hypnosis, over meditation, because you can get results much sooner, and more reliably.

I think the same as you. Read books if you want but do not take anything as the truth. It is best to find out for yourself. You mention self hypnosis over meditation. I meditate but I think I over do it. Please let me know what you do to hypnosis yourself.