The Dharma Tree

[sky]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

Or maybe a different way of looking at it is our progression along the path.

The Base (gzhi) by direct transmission (semde): Introduce the state of rig pa directly (ngo-sprod), by transmission from the vajra master. The View: recognize and practice your own primordial nature which is Buddha nature, the source of all arising. This is the de-velopment or “understanding” (rtogs pa, avabodhi) phase of the Dzogchen teaching.
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The Path (longde): “Don't remain in doubt” (“choose the state of presence”). The Medi-tation (gompa): “Decide on one point.” Choose and use the realization of the nondual unity of emptiness and awareness that is the nature and essence of the three kayas. Thisdoes not mean choose the Dzogchen Path. That is dogmatic dualistic view. Rather, choose the state of presence, moment to moment, here, now. Do not remain in dualistic, spacetime located meditation on emptiness. Choose to be the vast empty space of the nondual primordial state. Thus is the primordial state of presence of the base/ground stabilized through practice of the Path. This is the “stabilizing” (brtan pa) phase of the Dzogchen teaching.

The Fruit/Result (integration, mengagde, or secret upadesha, nyingthig): Continue in pro-found confidence (gdeng) of the certainty of the wisdom of the basal emptiness ground state that is self-liberation.

The Conduct: Liberation (grol ba) is prior to meditation. The state of presence or contemplation is "already accomplished" (Garab Dorje) as thoughts arise and spontaneously self liberate (rang grol). No effort. No seeking strategies. All thought and emotion, all arising is already primordially or universally liberated (ta-drol). Wise, compassionate conduct spontaneously, effortlessly arises and continues from stable confidence, certainty, in the luminous emptiness of the "supreme source" that is the unbounded whole (mahabindu) of nondual reality itself (dharmata). Thus is the prior unity of this state of presence with the arising energy of inner and outer phenom-enal experience realized, then compassionately expressed. Again, this is the “integrat-ing” or completion (bsre ba) phase of the Dzogchen path.

http://davidpaulboaz.org/_documents/...htenment.pd f

Just sow and water the seeds of Dharma, that's all you need to do, simple

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by sky123

Just sow and water the seeds of Dharma, that's all you need to do, simple

For some. For others they like a little help.

The Base (gzhi) by direct transmission (semde): Introduce the state of rig pa directly (ngo-sprod), by transmission from the vajra master.

Once you have been introduced to that state.

The View: recognize and practice your own primordial nature which is Buddha nature, the source of all arising. This is the de-velopment or “understanding” (rtogs pa, avabodhi) phase of the Dzogchen teaching.


Or you could go it alone.

Simple.

[RyanWind]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

Or you could go it alone.

We are connected to the source, so we are never really alone. I don't think anyone could connect with the divine otherwise. We stop doing the things that make us feel/experience life separate from it, and there it is and always was.

"It" is far greater than us, so conceptually we could not, by our own will or volition connect to it...it made the connection prior to us realizing it.

[jonesboy]

I would say it is not a connection to but what we are.

[sky]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

I would say it is not a connection to but what we are.

We are not the source, we connect with the source.

"At death we RETURN to the original source " we can't return to something we are.

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by sky123

We are not the source, we connect with the source.

"At death we RETURN to the original source " we can't return to something we are.

Is this Skyism or Buddhism?

What is the original source in Buddhism that we RETURN to when we die

[wolfgaze]

Originally Posted by sky123

We are not the source, we connect with the source.

"At death we RETURN to the original source " we can't return to something we are.

Sky, I was just curious how you reconcile the above perspective with this post you recently made in the Christian subforum:

Originally Posted by sky123

We are all God, no separation except the one we make ourselves.

Are 'God' and 'Source' two different 'things' in your opinion?

[naturesflow]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

Or maybe a different way of looking at it is our progression along the path.

The Base (gzhi) by direct transmission (semde): Introduce the state of rig pa directly (ngo-sprod), by transmission from the vajra master. The View: recognize and practice your own primordial nature which is Buddha nature, the source of all arising. This is the de-velopment or “understanding” (rtogs pa, avabodhi) phase of the Dzogchen teaching.

The Path (longde): “Don't remain in doubt” (“choose the state of presence”). The Medi-tation (gompa): “Decide on one point.” Choose and use the realization of the nondual unity of emptiness and awareness that is the nature and essence of the three kayas. Thisdoes not mean choose the Dzogchen Path. That is dogmatic dualistic view. Rather, choose the state of presence, moment to moment, here, now. Do not remain in dualistic, spacetime located meditation on emptiness. Choose to be the vast empty space of the nondual primordial state. Thus is the primordial state of presence of the base/ground stabilized through practice of the Path. This is the “stabilizing” (brtan pa) phase of the Dzogchen teaching.

The Fruit/Result (integration, mengagde, or secret upadesha, nyingthig): Continue in pro-found confidence (gdeng) of the certainty of the wisdom of the basal emptiness ground state that is self-liberation.

The Conduct: Liberation (grol ba) is prior to meditation. The state of presence or contemplation is "already accomplished" (Garab Dorje) as thoughts arise and spontaneously self liberate (rang grol). No effort. No seeking strategies. All thought and emotion, all arising is already primordially or universally liberated (ta-drol). Wise, compassionate conduct spontaneously, effortlessly arises and continues from stable confidence, certainty, in the luminous emptiness of the "supreme source" that is the unbounded whole (mahabindu) of nondual reality itself (dharmata). Thus is the prior unity of this state of presence with the arising energy of inner and outer phenom-enal experience realized, then compassionately expressed. Again, this is the “integrat-ing” or completion (bsre ba) phase of the Dzogchen path.

http://davidpaulboaz.org/_documents/...htenment.pd f

This I relate too. Thankyou for sharing.

[naturesflow]

Originally Posted by sky123

Just sow and water the seeds of Dharma, that's all you need to do, simple

But what about the human behind all this sowing?
What is being sown then?
Is it really that simple?
Or does the sowing we sow catch up to us in everyway we are sowing?


Once aware of yourself as the source sowing, your own awareness deepens, because you understand the whole nature of seeds being laid down by you as the sower. It becomes a much more inclusive awareness of what YOU are as the one laying down those seeds.

[Jeremy Bong]

Quote:
Originally Posted by sky123
We are not the source, we connect with the source.

Answer:You are the descendants of Gods, what you connected to: is you are from them as a family member.

"At death we RETURN to the original source " we can't return to something we are.

Answer:When we return to the ancestors we are as we are that's as individuals with different shapes and different body sizes. After my father in-law died I sent him to the heaven I made.

Quote from Wolfgaze:
Sky, I was just curious how you reconcile the above perspective with this post you recently made in the Christian subforum:

Quote:
Originally Posted by sky123

We are all God, no separation except the one we make ourselves.

Answer:We are all God when we ascended to the level as God not ghost. To be not separated with is wrong idea, unless our ancestors bring us to their heaven.

Quote from Wolfgaze:
Are 'God' and 'Source' two different 'things' in your opinion?

Answer:God and Source are ancestors of human in this sense.__________________