People free of suffering

[Unseeking Seeker]

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

Hello unseeking seeker, What are the four noble truths? I am interested to know this.

The theory is on the net. Here’s what Google search shows ~ https://www.pbs.org/edens/thailand/buddhism.htm

There are several people on this forum who know the nuances of Buddhism and various interpretations etc. I do not ‘study’ scriptures although I’ve read a bit here and there to satisfy curiosity of lower mind. In my view, silence is the best teacher, resting in thought rested stillness and discarding all concepts and past conditioning, just resting in the vibrant void of no-thingness as an ever present orientation.

[Redchic12]

UnseekingS……” In my view, silence is the best teacher, resting in thought rested stillness and discarding all concepts and past conditioning, just resting in the vibrant void of no-thingness as an ever present orientation.”

Yes that is my view also.

[Vajradhara]

Thank you sky!

[Cribbage1952]

The first step is to forgive those who hurt us. Forgiveness. Or at least Tolerance. Because there is a quotation "Resentment is a poison you feed to yourself in hopes that it will hurt somebody else."

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Cribbage1952

"Resentment is a poison you feed to yourself in hopes that it will hurt somebody else."

Yes, I agree, Cribbage!
I bet my sister never heard this, thanks for the reminder.
A couple, her in-laws, really hurt her, repeatedly..it's a tuff one to get over for her.

[Cribbage1952]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Yes, I agree, Cribbage!
I bet my sister never heard this, thanks for the reminder.
A couple, her in-laws, really hurt her, repeatedly..it's a tuff one to get over for her.

Namaste, Miss Hepburn, we are on the same wavelength.
In Buddhism, I've learned that when other people hurt me--that if I do good for those who hurt me, then I increase my good karma points.

[sky]

Forgiveness starts within 'us' we should fully prepare the correct environment in which forgiveness starts which is ourselves.
If we can't forgive ourselves how can we forgive others....
Imo only.

[Unseeking Seeker]

Forgiveness is a self healing tool with Ho’oponopono being a great practice but yet it requires an entity (us) that forgives or pardons another entity which caused harm, in as perceived and then the sense of hurt being amplified by repeated thoughts.

Stepping back, looking at the sense of injury, the belied expectation arises only in human to human contact. If an animal or insect or reptile injures us we do not cling to the sense of hurt and so we just shrug and move on. There is no need to forgive.

So, the fault line is the way we look at other forms. We see outer appearance only and not the soul or spirit indwelling it. If a lower life form is bestowed with a human body for experience, it will continue to behave as of its samskaras* (* past tendencies). Thus, if we accept that knowing no better, it can do no better at its present state of evolution, we do not feel sense of injury, thus obviating the need to forgive.

In my view, forgiveness is passé, best replaced with acceptance. This said, we should obviously safeguard ourself if possible. There is no need to trauma bond.

[Maisy]

I'm not sure I understand the idea of forgiving someone that harmed me. Like if I was camping and a bear came and stole all my food, would I feel like I needed to forgive the bear? The bear was just acting according to it's nature. I feel the same way about people that hurt me. I was obviously very hurt but I don't think I am angry at them. I just stay as far away as possible from them as I now know their nature and how it acts towards me. I could also call their nature their ego I suppose. It's just overall how their mind, consciousness, awareness (or lack thereof) is. One I know is very delusional by nature. She makes up horrible ideas in her mind about others and believes it to be facts. A very toxic individual.

Now that I think of it some people do get mad at animals. Herman Melville's Moby **** is the story of Captain Ahab's self-destructive obsession with the white whale called Moby ****. It is told through the narration of Ishmael, a sailor new to Ahab's ship, the Pequod. The plot of the novel follows Ahab's manic drive to kill the whale, even as it endangers his crew. Captain Ahab needed to see the whale was just acting according to it's nature. Any harm done was not personal.

[Maisy]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

If an animal or insect or reptile injures us we do not cling to the sense of hurt and so we just shrug and move on. There is no need to forgive.

Ah I just read your post and I see we were thinking much the same.