The most distructive word

i am 71 years old and have read of, and experiemented with, a number of belief systems and philosophies. In addition tirelessly observed human behavior because it's the most unceasingly facinating thing thing i've ever encountered.

Those are the only credentials i have and they may not be judged good enough for what i'm about to say but that isn't going to stop me.

The most destructive word in language is SIN. It completely dispises and discounts the humanity factor that can be witnessed and experienced in favor of a judgemental diety that supposidly has agents to make those judgements in his name.

It has turned families against family members, neighbors, against neighbors, and shredded the psychies, and sometimes bodies, of the judged. The SIN concept leaves bloody footprints on hearts and minds, and sponsers little love, for whatever image of the named god is worshipped, among non followers.

A young frind of mine, of years ago, a bible scholar had this to say about the word SIN, some may already know it.
The word SIN has two meanings..1: to be immature, unripe. Like a fruit to be unready for harvest, and 2... it can mean to miss the mark.

In either of those two definitions there does not appear to be condemnation, nor a finality. A vast difference from the common usage meaning of the word sin which belittles efforts to live a life of common harmony among rigid rules deprived of humaness.

Sin is a sinister word...In my experience it came to be a word that meant you were not good enough to make it through life on you own without Jesus, because of the original sin of Adam and Eve. It became a word that separated and divided people. It became a word to determine what some would say is the true religion. It became a word to judge others. It is a seed that strangles the growth of many because of what it has been defined as...

We are humans we make mistakes and fall short of many marks, but that doesn't have to be turned into a monster, learn and move on...sin has nothing to do with Spirit/God, it is a concept created by man to bring in converts to the church, through fear of eternal judgment.

Interesting thread

nightowl

[hybrid]

humans were born with sin.
it is self evident in the hearts of men and behavior of toddlers.
the concept of sin makes us aware that there is a potential of evil in our hearts.

humans are always tempted to do what is selfish and always struggle to do what's good for others. that tendency is SIN. as paul said, we want to do what is good but ending doing what is bad, woe is me! who will save me from this situation.

Originally Posted by hybrid

human were born with sin. it is sekf evident in the hearts of men. the concept of sin makes us aware that there is a potential of evil in our hearts.

I think man has the potential to do both good and evil, but I wouldn't use the word sin to describe it.

nightowl

[Miss Hepburn]

Yes, I feel sin is a ridiculous word and has caused much separation from our Father, or the Truth or Reality or just who we are.
Also on your list, I think, adding #3. separation--- is part of some Greek tranlsation, isn't it?
Separation and missing the mark.
Way before becoming aware of A Course In Miracles I thought of us just 'making mistakes' - sin ? Come on.
Anyone who experienced God or the Holy Spirit or our Higher Self knows God is nothing but Love.

When one knows the 'Nature of Love' - sin would be like a puppy falling in a puddle - we are always loved and helped.....imo.

Sin? Another fear based tall tale.

If we, as human beings, can forgive a husband or girlfriend that has gambled, cheated and lied - how much more will our Father in Heaven love us...it is simple logic... for those that still use logic!
HA!

Miss Hepburn

Originally Posted by Sentientno1

i am 71 years old and have read of, and experiemented with, a number of belief systems and philosophies. In addition tirelessly observed human behavior because it's the most unceasingly facinating thing thing i've ever encountered.

Those are the only credentials i have and they may not be judged good enough for what i'm about to say but that isn't going to stop me.

The most destructive word in language is SIN. It completely dispises and discounts the humanity factor that can be witnessed and experienced in favor of a judgemental diety that supposidly has agents to make those judgements in his name.

It has turned families against family members, neighbors, against neighbors, and shredded the psychies, and sometimes bodies, of the judged. The SIN concept leaves bloody footprints on hearts and minds, and sponsers little love, for whatever image of the named god is worshipped, among non followers.

A young frind of mine, of years ago, a bible scholar had this to say about the word SIN, some may already know it.
The word SIN has two meanings..1: to be immature, unripe. Like a fruit to be unready for harvest, and 2... it can mean to miss the mark.

In either of those two definitions there does not appear to be condemnation, nor a finality. A vast difference from the common usage meaning of the word sin which belittles efforts to live a life of common harmony among rigid rules deprived of humaness.

When after reading your text book definition of sin and your post, your symptoms of SIN cannot be ignored. When one judges a life of sin, and or one commits sins, it not only affects one's self but others. That is partially a definition of sin, and yes, according to that definition, sin will tear apart families, friendships, and lives. When we judge our own sins that is one thing, but to say another has no right to judge our sins, when we sin against them, is just absurd. Although, I have witnessed many who have been sinned against, and showed love in response, and have given up the honor of judgment to Jesus Christ.

[hybrid]

Originally Posted by nightowl

I think man has the potential to do both good and evil, but I wouldn't use the word sin to describe it.

nightowl

well for me that is the history of the concept of sin.

when men decided to live in community and entered into his mind that the common good of the community is paramount for survival and expressed this idea as equality for all, sin became a reality.

if there are 5 cookies and 5 members of the family, and one of them ate two cookies, that guy sins.... it is as simple as that

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Yes, I feel sin is a ridiculous word and has caused much separation from our Father, or the Truth or Reality or just who we are.
Also on your list, I think, adding #3. separation--- is part of some Greek tranlsation, isn't it?
Separation and missing the mark.
Way before becoming aware of A Course In Miracles I thought of us just 'making mistakes' - sin ? Come on.
Anyone who experienced God or the Holy Spirit or our Higher Self knows God is nothing but Love.

When one knows the 'Nature of Love' - sin would be like a puppy falling in a puddle - we are always loved and helped.....imo.

Sin? Another fear based tall tale.

If we, as human beings, can forgive a husband or girlfriend that has gambled, cheated and lied - how much more will our Father in Heaven love us...it is simple logic... for those that still use logic!
HA!

Miss Hepburn

Hey MH,



nightowl

[hybrid]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Sin? Another fear based tall tale.

If we, as human beings, can forgive a husband or girlfriend that has gambled, cheated and lied - how much more will our Father in Heaven love us...it is simple logic... for those that still use logic!
HA!

Miss Hepburn

if sin is a tale why is there a need to forgive?
isn't it implied that it was the sinner that needs forgiving?

The word itself fills the requirement of our dual way of thinking. The concept behind the word can trap people into trying to modify their behaviour to become pure or not sin.
I have given up trying to figure destructive or creative because in all cases both roads lead to the same place ultimatly. Sure you can get trapped in thinking you are a sinner for a few years maybe your experience calls for that. Maybe this comment is a bit too open ended for the thread but it is just my point of reference at the moment. Thanks