Looking For Afterlife Evidence...

...That I can believe in.

Long story short:

I am 41 and for all practical purposes an orphan, all of my immediate family have passed on, including a younger (13 year old) brother. Since the last death (my grandfather) I have been searching, fearing and tearing myself apart about the question of our continued existence beyond death.

I am less concerned if I face non-existence when I die, because if that is the case then I won't be aware of it anyway. But what bothers me, is the thought that all of my loved ones are just -gone- (barring my memories of them). Especially my brother, he got cancer at 10 and it took his life at 13, prior to that we lived in a semi-broken home rife with abuse.

It seems offensive to me that the universe would have him life a life like that then snuff him out of existence at 13. I have asked my friends and they have all had some personal experience (usually involving the passing of one of their loved ones) that provided them with evidence of the continued existence of those who have passed on. (Like sensing the presence of the loved one shortly after their death).

Me, I have soul searched, researched and even prayed for some kind of -experience- to happen to me that would offer me some comfort or closure in knowing he (my brother) is ok, along with the rest of my family. However I seem to be spiritually dead or something as I have had no experiences out of the ordinary, and certainly no messages or indications from my loved ones that they still exist somehow. I am science-minded by nature, but not a closed minded skeptic -- I need evidence, but once presented and able to be verified, I accept it.

So I am left in this state of permanent anxiety over the matter, and have been for some years. Some of the things I read make me think their could be an afterlife, but then there is just as much that leads me to think that such isn't possible. Forgive the rambling, I don't sleep well or a lot and this being typed during one of my bouts of insomnia, but if anyone has any thoughts, help or insights that might get me through this once and for all I would be eternally grateful.

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Deapsea

[psychoslice]

I'm looking for evidence of life here, Now, all I see is the walking dead lol.

Originally Posted by psychoslice

I'm looking for evidence of life here, Now, all I see is the walking dead lol.

You speak for yourself, I may be still walking (not on a walking frame yet ) but still alive,I hope. Looks for signs to see if blood is still flowing.

Deapsea

Originally Posted by psychoslice

I'm looking for evidence of life here, Now, all I see is the walking dead lol.

Brains... *moan*

[John32241]

Hello Scibat,

One of the films that I like a lot is called "Proof". It presents many of the things that you seek in a nice way. In this particular case, the main character was looking for the proof about love. Similar in many respects to what you wish to verify.

The experience you requested, the one to satisfy your logical mind, was ignored by the Intelligent Designer in your life. I myself would not like that particular experience - being ignored. That would make me angry.

I suspect that you need to make a better request. Something you know will not be ignored. Something that a person like yourself can feel.

Best Wishes!!
John

Originally Posted by John32241

Hello Scibat,

One of the films that I like a lot is called "Proof". It presents many of the things that you seek in a nice way. In this particular case, the main character was looking for the proof about love. Similar in many respects to what you wish to verify.

The experience you requested, the one to satisfy your logical mind, was ignored by the Intelligent Designer in your life. I myself would not like that particular experience - being ignored. That would make me angry.

I suspect that you need to make a better request. Something you know will not be ignored. Something that a person like yourself can feel.

Best Wishes!!
John

You have a very interesting site,John
Deepsea.

[John32241]

Originally Posted by deepsea

You have a very interesting site,John
Deepsea.

Thank You, Deepsea!!

Hi Scibat
I know how difficult it must be for a someone with a scientific bent to open up to beliefs that can't be proven in a laboratory, and as eraser said, most of what you hear or read is going to be "anecdotal" - which no true scientist can accept. However, if you can rest your left brain hemisphere and the need for absolute proof, then you'll literally discover a whole other world.

I'm a sceptical believer. That means I refuse to accept anything on face value, but I don't discount anything either. We all have a "line in the sand" that we refuse to step over, but I learnt many years ago that this line keeps moving as we gain more life experience, and things which seemed improbable or impossible once eventually become second nature to us. As you're 41, you'll no doubt have discovered this yourself - impossible that man would ever fly, humans could never reach the moon, Columbus will fall off the edge of the earth, the sun revolves around the earth, etc.

I've personally had many experiences with departed loved ones, but telling you about them is, once again, just anecdotal. And besides, you don't know me, I could be making up stories! (Trust me, I don't!) I'm also a professional past life regression therapist - professional meaning I only accept clients referred by psychologists and psychiatrists - so I've also had many experiences in that regard, too. Any doubts I once had that we survive death have long been put to rest.

But you, my friend, need to know for yourself, not as a result of other people's experiences. And at the moment, it's difficult to open up to the many whispers and nods and winks you're getting from the other side. Oh yes, they're happening, and you know they are, but it's easy to just dismiss them as "coincidences".

I'd highly recommend you read Michael Newton's book, Journey of Souls and also that you visit Leslie Flint's site http://www.leslieflint.com - I won't tell you anything about him, you'll learn all you need to there, but I recommend you listen to some of the tapes available free at that site.

I'd disagree with Greenslade (a VERY rare occurrence) that there can be no physical proof of reincarnation (or even life after death) because there has been, and often. I remember a colleague (regression therapist) taking a client from Australia to the UK to dig up a coin that she'd buried in a chicken coop in her previous lifetime, and finding it! I remember a lady who had a near death experience in hospital in the US and insisted there was a shoe with its lace tucked under the toe sitting on a high window ledge on the other side of the hospital - she had seen it when she left her body. She was so insistant that someone verify this that eventually a social worker went looking for it and eventually found it, having had to almost climb out on a ledge to retrieve it.

Last year, an acquaintance of mine had a near death experience (for 47 minutes!) and her story was shown on our TV news program. You might want to watch the 2 minute news report at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsbOuacQwwc Carmel is a very sensible and down to earth lady and I think you'll find her story fascinating.

Keep searching Scibat, the answers you seek are out there, but sometimes we can't see the forest because there's just too many trees in our way!

"I'd disagree with Greenslade (a VERY rare occurrence) that there can be no physical proof of reincarnation (or even life after death) because there has been, and often. I remember a colleague (regression therapist) taking a client from Australia to the UK to dig up a coin that she'd buried in a chicken coop in her previous lifetime, and finding it! I remember a lady who had a near death experience in hospital in the US and insisted there was a shoe with its lace tucked under the toe sitting on a high window ledge on the other side of the hospital - she had seen it when she left her body. She was so insistant that someone verify this that eventually a social worker went looking for it and eventually found it, having had to almost climb out on a ledge to retrieve it."

Interesting as these accounts are, they only show that the subject was privy to that information in some way - it's not proof that the individual who was apparently recalling an event actually ever lived through it. I'm not claiming that they didn't live the event, only that it's not proven that they did. There are other ways that such information might be learned - overshadowing is just one example.

As for apparent NDEs, they indicate only that an individual appeared to be dead but they don't have much to do with the afterlife situation anyway. (forum topic)

The questions go on but please don't forget that mac is not a sceptic - as a dyed-in-the-wool Modern Spiritualist, life and the afterlife, along with reincarnation and all the rest are my everyday fare!