What about " Miltiple Choices?"

[mickiel]

If I just had to consider other possible choices as to how life began , and not have creation as one of those choices, what would I then consider?

I would have to go with " Chemistry." And I mean a one time deal that would never happen again. We would just have to give even chemistry a helping hand and give it existence in a space that we must also give that one time thing of the miracle moment that it happened to also exist; so we now have a chemical , and the space it occupies. Okay but which chemical are we allotting? Whatever we create it must contain water, would you not agree?

Will it be Methane? Sulfuric Acid? Carbon Monoxide? Now see , already we have a serious issue. Were really going to need more than one chemical , unless you will allow instantaneous combustion of maybe 100 or more chemicals we would need , to come into existence at the same time.

I mean if were going to start small to get to all this " Big" we have in current reality , then we need to start stacking these chemicals and mixing them together. Were not going to say which came first, the egg or the chicken, were going to build this life from chemicals. Water is a pure compound , so lets begin there.

[Baile]

Middle path wisdom is about balance; exploring and identifying the truth in every perspective. Regarding this chemical/scientific explanation you've offered, there is would also be a corresponding soul/spiritual explanation. I read once there are 12 archetypal perspectives from which any question can be explored. 12 truths, many of them contradicting each other obviously.

In simplest terms regarding "choices as to how life began": chemical/scientific explanation = exoteric choice; soul/spirit understanding = esoteric choice.

[mickiel]

Originally Posted by Baile

Middle path wisdom is about balance; exploring and identifying the truth in every perspective. Regarding this chemical/scientific explanation you've offered, there is would also be a corresponding soul/spiritual explanation. I read once there are 12 archetypal perspectives from which any question can be explored. 12 truths, many of them contradicting each other obviously.

In simplest terms regarding "choices as to how life began": chemical/scientific explanation = exoteric choice; soul/spirit understanding = esoteric choice.

Well we need your 12 truths to give us substance.

[mickiel]

Okay lets say our self created water chemicals has now evolved into a living cell. Now those cells multiply and team up into some how creating an amoeba ; so now we have " Protozoan." Now from parasitic protozoan I can see cellular life developing.

Okay but were still miles away from a human. Somebody help me develop man.

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by mickiel

Okay lets say our self created water chemicals has now evolved into a living cell. Now those cells multiply and team up into some how creating an amoeba ; so now we have " Protozoan." Now from parasitic protozoan I can see cellular life developing.

Okay but were still miles away from a human. Somebody help me develop man.

Having fun are we? "Mickiel" ?
Why is this posted in the Christian forums?

Choices... Red pill, Blue pill. 123.

Creation/ Evolution?

Just eliminate time. It's relevance Just as the Bible indicates to us.
Then of course, there is modern Physics.

What have you?

[Baile]

Originally Posted by mickiel

Well we need your 12 truths to give us substance.

Your willingness and ability to have a friendly adult dialogue for the simple purpose of just sharing ideas, is truly abysmal. What was that? I didn't tear down your idea, did I? I was adding to it, trying to add to the conversation. Your brushing my comment aside and then posting again about chemicals was a very obvious, "So much for him, now let's get back to my point."

Okay then, lets get back to it. This chemical theory of yours is like someone saying nails get driven into wood by a hammer. Sure they do. But how? You're missing the "someone swinging the hammer" part of the equation. What are they building? And why? And why are they using a hammer and nails?

Chemicals don't just exist in a vacuum. There has to be a reason and purpose for the chemical to be there in the first place. Likewise a chemical reaction is just a particular manifestation of higher spirit law. After presenting your chemical theory, you then asked for ideas about further developing man (the human being). But it's the other way around. Develop the reason and notion and purpose of the human being, first. After which follows an understanding of chemicals as a manifestation within the physical-material sphere.

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by Baile

Your willingness and ability to have a friendly adult dialogue for the simple purpose of just sharing ideas, is truly abysmal. What was that? I didn't tear down your idea, did I? I was adding to it, trying to add to the conversation. Your brushing my comment aside and then posting again about chemicals was a very obvious, "So much for him, now let's get back to my point."

Okay then, lets get back to it. This chemical theory of yours is like someone saying nails get driven into wood by a hammer. Sure they do. But how? You're missing the "someone swinging the hammer" part of the equation. What are they building? And why? And why are they using a hammer and nails?

Chemicals don't just exist in a vacuum. There has to be a reason and purpose for the chemical to be there in the first place. Likewise a chemical reaction is just a particular manifestation of higher spirit law. After presenting your chemical theory, you then asked for ideas about further developing man (the human being). But it's the other way around. Develop the reason and notion and purpose of the human being, first. After which follows an understanding of chemicals as a manifestation within the physical-material sphere.

As with everything, chemicals boil down to frequency, vibration, and resonance.
The interdimensional, and Spiritual.

[mickiel]

Originally Posted by Baile

Your willingness and ability to have a friendly adult dialogue for the simple purpose of just sharing ideas, is truly abysmal. What was that? I didn't tear down your idea, did I? I was adding to it, trying to add to the conversation. Your brushing my comment aside and then posting again about chemicals was a very obvious, "So much for him, now let's get back to my point."

Okay then, lets get back to it. This chemical theory of yours is like someone saying nails get driven into wood by a hammer. Sure they do. But how? You're missing the "someone swinging the hammer" part of the equation. What are they building? And why? And why are they using a hammer and nails?

Chemicals don't just exist in a vacuum. There has to be a reason and purpose for the chemical to be there in the first place. Likewise a chemical reaction is just a particular manifestation of higher spirit law. After presenting your chemical theory, you then asked for ideas about further developing man (the human being). But it's the other way around. Develop the reason and notion and purpose of the human being, first. After which follows an understanding of chemicals as a manifestation within the physical-material sphere.

Yes there has to be a reason why the chemical exist in the first place. But I am trying to exclude God as a reason, so I am open for any suggestions as to " Why".

You know giving " Why": without explanation is tuff!
But lets try.

Okay lets develop the " Reason and purpose" of a human being first.

I am all ears. And if you can, give us some multiple choices.

[mickiel]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

Having fun are we? "Mickiel" ?
Why is this posted in the Christian forums?
?

I am having fun, thank you. I'm having a ball!

Thank you for your love of the ways and means of God; at least we agree that he loves us all.

[Lightspirit]

Just for fun..

God was once approached by a scientist who said, “Listen God, we’ve decided we don’t need you anymore. These days we can clone people, transplant organs and do all sorts of things that used to be considered miraculous.”
God replied, “Don’t need me huh? How about we put your theory to the test. Why don’t we have a competition to see who can make a human being, say, a male human being.”

The scientist agrees, so God declares they should do it like he did in the good old days when he created Adam.
“Fine” says the scientist as he bends down to scoop up a handful of dirt.”
“Whoa!” says God, shaking his head in disapproval. “Not so fast. You create your own dirt.”