What are we?

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Ok Shroom God - Let's say you're standing in front of me.
What are you, there ---a sack of meat and bones and blood.
Ok But then you have a brain and a mind and something looking out of
your eyes at me.
However, we also know you're just a bunch of atoms, molecules and cells.
And inside these atoms are nuclei - and spinning around these nuclei are electrons .

If the nuclei were basketballs, the electrons would be 2 miles away.

Why am I saying all this? To lead up to a couple of things - first we know
our body's are 99.999999% empty space and this is why.
And we also know the atom is made up of light and energy (split one and see what happens).
And I looked up that we have 7 billion, billion, billion atoms (or a 7 with 27 zeros).
SOooo - at our core, (electron microscopes help with this) we are just light.
Light slowed down in frequency to appear so slow and dense this body looks like 'matter'.

But there really is no matter.
Everything your eyes see is Light appearing as matter, see?
Nothing is what it seems...it appears as 'something' - a dog, a tree, your friend.

So what do we get from all this? That at the core of All That Is - from a dust particle in a sun beam to a planet - all is Light.
And what is Light? The Creator we call God.

That is the very thing that stands in front of me we call 'you'..
and what is inside looking out at me? The very Source, Light, God... looking at 'something' that
seems like Miss Hepburn...but isn't really.

God is a Cosmic Shape Shifter looking like many.

This is a quick way to explain that nothing is actually what it is, thus, we say an Illusion.
That is what you are to ans your question...later we can get into the why we are slowed down Light appearing separate...
seeming like individualized souls...separate consciousnesses.

Ummmm no actually that is a Eastern cereal box epistemology and isn't rooted in actual demonstrable fact at all. Member science is about smooth-talking in order to keep funding going so that people have jobs and if they just so happen to be accurate every now and then that's nice but the reality is no one's ever even seen an atom it's just a theory which makes the electron a theory and a light particle is also a theory matter fact the majority of what you said is scientific theory

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

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We are both the external turbidity
As well as the inner serenity
We are as we choose to be

Employing free will
If we steer attention in silence still
Our emptiness divine love does fill

Bliss overspills

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Your full of quotes,do you walk the talk?

Any direct healing and experiencing?

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

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Everything your eyes see is Light appearing as matter, see?
Nothing is what it seems...it appears as 'something' - a dog, a tree, your friend.

So what do we get from all this? That at the core of All That Is - from a dust particle in a sun beam to a planet - all is Light.
And what is Light? The Creator we call God.

Do you therefore look at an elephant and see God only (whatever that is) or do you see the elephant but believe it isn't an elephant based upon it appears as an elephant?

How can you separate or prise apart the appearance from what it is?

It's like trying to prise the Golden colour from the gold isn't it . It can't be done because Gold is golden in appearance .

It doesn't really matter if everything is made up of empty space, atoms and light for it's all what you are .

I use the elephant metaphor often because I resonated with a guru dude who spoke once about it is a God-Elephant .

It's not so much it's an illusory appearance of an elephant . It is an elephant and the elephant is god .

Where's the illusion?


x daz x

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by God-Like

Do you therefore look at an elephant and see God only (whatever that is) or do you see the elephant but believe it isn't an elephant based upon it appears as an elephant?

How can you separate or prise apart the appearance from what it is?

It's like trying to prise the Golden colour from the gold isn't it . It can't be done because Gold is golden in appearance .

It doesn't really matter if everything is made up of empty space, atoms and light for it's all what you are .

I use the elephant metaphor often because I resonated with a guru dude who spoke once about it is a God-Elephant .

It's not so much it's an illusory appearance of an elephant . It is an elephant and the elephant is god .

Where's the illusion?


x daz x

Jai Ganesha.

[Unseeking Seeker]

Originally Posted by Elabr8Aspie

Your full of quotes,do you walk the talk?

Any direct healing and experiencing?

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No, I’m not a conduit for healing. Why do you ask?

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Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

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Why do you ask?

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Separate the Wheat from the Chaff,so to speak.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by God-Like

Do you therefore look at an elephant and see God only (whatever that is)
or do you see the elephant but believe it isn't an elephant based upon it appears as an elephant?

How can you separate or prise apart the appearance from what it is?
*snip*
Where's the illusion?

First, thank u - I didn't know what prise meant! I have never used it and never saw it written!
verb: open, move apart, force to move apart

This is long and really just for you, daz.

I've been asked this before and still it's not easy cuz we're talking about the mind being able to conceptualize abstractly.
And here we are we have right brainers and left brainers...
obviously I'm a right brainer...I even write left-handed.

I sometimes have compared being able to 'see' things differently than some others by using those 3D prints as an example.
Some just see nonsensical colors others see the 3D picture within it.

But, moving on from those prints - and I think this is very imp regarding your question:
Once a person has experienced with their own eyes - and to be fair, I don't care if that person was on
some hallucinogen (legal, of course) or
was given some grace opening the Doors of Perception in their minds to 'see' into this place - hey, they could have had a very high fever and were
able to see things 'differently' - OR maybe had an NDE....
cuz then, it becomes easier to alter your perception, awareness, sight to be attuned to 'something'
other than the physical that most people see.

We already know people can see auras - that's nothing new...well,
same here.
There are people so attuned - picture the dial of a radio - that they are able to see into things and see their Nature.
That the person in front of them isn't their 'mom' - but, God morphing to look as their mom.
Often if they are not advanced a bit they end up in an Institution.

IF one has a mind that sees just the surface - it is like a person that buys a house because it's pretty ...
an architect can see things indicating it has very shoddy infrastructure.

So, when I adjust my perception to look into the animals eyes I can see that inside -
this is not my German Shepherd at all....nor the ceiling above me is a ceiling...what I can perceive ---by grace, mind you ...
and who knows a couple of lifetimes of meditation, (already have 46 yrs here of long sessions of 3-6 hours) - I can
perceive this is God that has shape shifted to come into my life as a dog.
My ceiling and walls are breathing conscious examples of love.
(People think their walls are drywall ---nope -they are held together at the atomic level with sheer love -
Light is the glue, my friend).


Do I say this to an authority figure? No. My mother was an Administrator
of a Mental Institute of 136 buildings.
So no, I am careful who I say these things to.
Was that an accident she was my mum?
There are no accidents or coincidences.

Could you, daz, also start seeing something other than the physical dimension?
Sure, but I don't know if you
even believe in a Superior Being or even a Spiritual World...so I would say it would be hard to understand.
There is a tilt to the head like a doggy, ha, trying to see 'something beyond.'

What makes a person a healer or medium or a psychic ---I'm not sure you understand those things either.
I am trying to start to ans your question, stumbling along here.

It was amazing for the fishermen to see Jesus walking on water ---he was trying to show them; "Guys...nothing is what you think it is.
Something bigger is a going on."
And after 3 years he STILL said at the Last Supper, "There is so much more I want to tell you
but you cannot bear (grasp) it now." John (16 or 23 ?)
What more could there BE!
3 of them saw him turn into light right in front of them!(Mark? or Matt)
Look up the Transfiguration.

*To preempt Elabr8 ---Am I Born Again, Baptized in the Holy Spirit, personally healed, pray on Tongues,
heal by the grace of the Holy Spirit?
Yes.

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

*To preempt Elabr8 ---Am I Born Again, Baptized in the Holy Spirit, personally healed, pray on Tongues,
heal by the grace of the Holy Spirit?[/color]
Yes.

Ask one,is this a badge of honor?Importance?I am.


Visualizing is deception.

Hence why people see things with acid.

Visualizing is from the mind,hence the deception.


The spiritual path is not only about testing faith,it's also about testing the faith with misleads.

Which in turn,leads to not only better discernment but the searcher stops seeking.

End result,blind faith and trust in the unknown.


Last port of call,felt perception.

Inner knowing,

Faith,

Blind faith,

Trust,

Process,

No question and no self importance of i am or i am this or that.

It just is.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Elabr8Aspie

Ask one,is this a badge of honor?Importance?I am.
Visualizing is deception.
Hence why people see things with acid.
Visualizing is from the mind,hence the deception.

The spiritual path is not only about testing faith,it's also about testing the faith with misleads.

Which in turn,leads to not only better discernment but the searcher stops seeking.
End result,blind faith and trust in the unknown.

Last port of call,felt perception.
Inner knowing,Faith, Blind faith,Trust,Process,
No question and no self importance of i am or i am this or that.
It just is.

I didn't quite understand all this, I'm sorry.
I meant nothing by 'I am', btw.
That's not a 'thing' for me as I see it is for others, this - "I AM".

[Rah nam]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

I didn't quite understand all this, I'm sorry.
I meant nothing by 'I am', btw.
That's not a 'thing' for me as I see it is for others, this - "I AM".

Because his intent is to mislead