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[Renunciation]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

Isn't that the same thing?

Social conditioning. It has its uses like letting most people get on with each other most of the time - as long as they work to the same codes. It is possible to 'be individual' both within those codes and outside them (if someone is aware of how they work; how they relate to themselves) and develop spiritually while still existing in society.


"We all?" Speak for yourself. Sure, we are influenced, sometimes we're constrained, sometimes unknowingly but that's what development is about, surely - becoming knowing of how others might influence us and whether we should conform or act against.


As I said up there, speak for yourself. Are you aware of your purpose here on Earth? Like, why are you here (on Earth)? What have you got to achieve?


That means nothing to me but I might have guessed it was a Hindu thing. We live in a different culture with different values in the West in regards to how you evaluate society. It isn't better, it isn't worse, just different and won't apply to most of us. Even in current day India it doesn't seem to have done people much good. As I understand, the caste system is still practised.
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definitely social reformation, transformation and cultural developments are essential and part of social growth. It's completely agreed.But as long as we are born without being aware of our birth and die without being known about our death, the questions why i came here? what are my duties? and to where am i to return? will remain unanswered and unknown. Seeking the answers for these is called truth seeking.

the insight of acquiring the wisdom of time span before the birth and after death, from ongoing life, has been lost for a very long time. This is the reason, in one side the entire world including india is experience tremendous development and in the other side people are experiencing poverty in soul.

who do we blame and who do we hold responsible, When we are in a situation or condition where our intellect can't be applied and it's beyond our control? That's where the spiritual seeking starts.

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by Renunciation

who do we blame and who do we hold responsible, When we are in a situation or condition where our intellect can't be applied and it's beyond our control? That's where the spiritual seeking starts.

There is no need to blame . We have to decide what we have to do without thinking of others and without depending on others .

In spirituality intellect and faith both are required in abundant quantity . Without intellect there is high chance that spirituality degenerates to dogmatic and superstitious .

[lemex]

Originally Posted by utopiandreamchild

If you could manifest your dreams into the physical world then you would have reality. But no one has figured that out just yet. Yes I believe dreams could be a reality too, but not just yet. Manifesting our dreams into reality isn't something we've mastered just yet but hopefully there will be a breakthrough. Amen

Many dreams are substitutes. A person who wishes power and wealth for instance. Some dream of having lots of stuff to be happy. In the physical it is not necessary to manifest what is not there, it already is there. One does not have to go out of their way to do this, just something I have observed. One needs to know their dreams.

[Renunciation]

Originally Posted by HITESH SHAH

There is no need to blame . We have to decide what we have to do without thinking of others and without depending on others .

In spirituality intellect and faith both are required in abundant quantity . Without intellect there is high chance that spirituality degenerates to dogmatic and superstitious .

religious doctrines, followed by billions of people in the world, were not created from the intellect of the God's messengers.

Prophet Muhammad said 'I am only delivering to you what is ordered to me by the almighty'. Jesus Christ also said the same. Same is told by Lord Krishna to Arjuna.

That means, Intellect has nothing to do here.spirituality is beyond intellectual and logical understanding.

If these great noble souls got it, why can't we?

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by Renunciation

religious doctrines, followed by billions of people in the world, were not created from the intellect of the God's messengers.

Prophet Muhammad said 'I am only delivering to you what is ordered to me by the almighty'. Jesus Christ also said the same. Same is told by Lord Krishna to Arjuna.

That means, Intellect has nothing to do here.spirituality is beyond intellectual and logical understanding.

If these great noble souls got it, why can't we?

Their teachings mean that if you only use intellect (without having faith) then you will never know God . It also means if one does not understand everything intellectually (which is also impossible to know the infinite being in the finite) but has sufficient faith in God , that is ok . If at all one is to work with deficiency then deficiency (not absence) of intellect is better than deficiency of faith .

All of this does not at all mean that intellect is not required . All these scriptures are also have references to intellect and high regard to intellect. There are dedicated deities for intellect and learning.

Definitely bad/wrong use of logic in intellect is not required . In fact I don't call it intellect only .

[Renunciation]

Can we point anyone who knows and tell us the secret those God's messengers experienced? Why don't we have that capability that they had? What are we supposed to do to attain it? How can we give it to the world, when we get it?

We don't think and try to know this matter.

There is a way to attain it which is acceptable by the world, irrespective of religions, casts and colour. If we walk along that path, we can achieve it.Once achieved, we can pass it to the world.

Seek that path, find it, practise it and attain it.that's the only thing we are supposed to do in our lifetime. Once this is started to pass on, it will be carried on endlessly. otherwise, we will live and die like other species.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Renunciation

Can we point anyone who knows and tell us the secret those God's messengers experienced? Why don't we have that capability that they had? What are we supposed to do to attain it? How can we give it to the world, when we get it?

We don't think and try to know this matter.

There is a way to attain it which is acceptable by the world, irrespective of religions, casts and colour. If we walk along that path, we can achieve it.Once achieved, we can pass it to the world.

Seek that path, find it, practise it and attain it.that's the only thing we are supposed to do in our lifetime. Once this is started to pass on, it will be carried on endlessly. otherwise, we will live and die like other species.

True messengers of God are further along the Path than we are. They were once as we are now. All we can do is follow the Path and then we will know for ourselves.

How can we then give it to the world? Let us worry about that when we are in that position. And don't forget that most people may not be ready to listen to such a message. As it says "He who has eyes to see, let him see, and he who has ears to hear, let him hear." But most people nowadays lack the eyes and ears to heed the message.

Peace

[Native spirit]

Have to agree with iamthat.


Namaste

[Renunciation]

what we have to know is whether these God's Messangers (Great noble souls) had been able to succeed in their goal. Do we have to assume that they could achieve in their goal, as they were chased throwing stones from mekka to madeena, crucified, died from arrow wound, walked to sarayu river and committed suicide, died of eating offered spoiled pork meat? why should we walk along that path where they grieved of not able to go ahead due to intervention of evil forces? can't we start from where they had to stop?

[HITESH SHAH]

Originally Posted by Renunciation

what we have to know is whether these God's Messangers (Great noble souls) had been able to succeed in their goal. Do we have to assume that they could achieve in their goal, as they were chased throwing stones from mekka to madeena, crucified, died from arrow wound, walked to sarayu river and committed suicide, died of eating offered spoiled pork meat? why should we walk along that path where they grieved of not able to go ahead due to intervention of evil forces? can't we start from where they had to stop?

It is not clear whether it is your question or suggestion . All these Godhead had troubles in their life . Those troubles are there to illustrate/inspire the seeker how & in which manner to tackle crisis of life . They never promised that seekers will not have any troubles /problems in their life .

Following spirituality in no way is short-cut to no-problem-blissful-abundant life.

Please elaborate your point so that others can contribute meaningfully. Also indicate your opinion also besides suggesting/questioning.