A question

[sky]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

I'm going to send you something a master said that really sums things up 'perfectly'!!
(All the whys of things...all wrapped with a bow.)

Thanks M H, the bow was beautiful and what it wrapped was excellent

[eezi-ulgen]

My personal thoughts at the moment are, before the ego, before the person, before the karma, "I am", when I rest in that "I am" then everything gets done...

Ego fades, person fades, Karma fades...

"I am"

Peace

[Redchic12]

Yay! I like that Eezi.

[ajay00]

Originally Posted by Presence

We are "doers" in that sense, right? We're trying to make good choices and do good things. So how does that fit with Ramana Maharshi saying we are not the doers?

In Hinduism,distinction between the lower self and higher Self is emphasized. The Self is experienced in present moment awareness.

The lower self is considered the ego and false self comprised of one's strong desires in the form of cravings and aversions.

All crimes like rape, murder,robbery are linked to vices like lust, greed, hatred which are but strong desires in the form of cravings or aversions at their core.

Operating with the false self generates karma leading to bondage and repeated death and rebirths. One acts unconsciously and under the strong grip of desires rather than wisdom and correct judgement.

Vicious acts generate bad karma while virtuous acts generate good karmas.

Yes, good karmas lead to better births and lives with better health, personal beauty, finances,worldly happiness and other auspicious qualities for a long span of time.

But they are still considered to be of an impermanent nature, and worldly happiness is also considered inferior to the bliss of the higher Self, which is one's true nature.

Anandamayi Ma considered all rebirths to be death itself, as the entity is under the grip of bondage and karma and hence vulnerable to psychological suffering. If the entity performs very bad karmas due to poor judgement or passion or influence of bad company, he can even move to the hellish dimensions and unnecessarily endure needless suffering till the negative karma is extinguished.

When one operates from the state of the higher Self , then there is no 'doer' as Ramana stated, meaning the false lower self is absent.

In this state no karma is generated, and one gradually moves to higher states of consciousness eliminating past reserves of karma.

Enlightenment is attained when all karmas are extinguished.

[Native spirit]

Wise words eezi post 22 I agree with that



Namaste

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Presence

I was hoping someone here might help me out with a question. I love Ramana Maharshi and one of the things he is famous for saying is, "You are not the doer.!

Firstly one doesn't have to use this term as gospel. We could go down the rabbit hole until there is no self, but at this point there is no one to say you are not the doer.

So we have someone_thing or whatever you want to call it that can take note of the saying but there isn't even a self that can perceive that.

It will then just reflect some kinda weird no one is actually here scenario that is either dreamlike or illusory in some shape or form.

That's not the best foundation had to entertain a notion of you are not the doer based upon Ramana who is what? An illusory person?



x daz x

[Miss Hepburn]

The Admin asked in Nov 2020 to quote only 2-3 sentences when quoting others.

[kralaro]

Hey sky, i'm happy to know, i'm honored. We identify ourselves with the conscious mind but actually we're the unconscious mind, the controller. It's about bringing the unconscious mind to the forefront, the mind of God. Sharing my favorite parabel demonstrating this:
https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkx_7_...zarQQqx8W3qKlD

Miss Hepburn :)