A Nondualistic Duality? - Page 9

#81 03-02-2018, 06:59 PM

I believe soul is possibly a construct. Just like the ego is.
Like any phenomenon It's subject to the 3 characteristics.
Impermanent, stressful and non-self.

At some point all enters nibanna and ceases.

With Love
Eelco

slash112 · #82 03-02-2018, 07:03 PM

Aha, good answer.

I've been going back and forwards, from a similar viewpoint to what you just said, to the viewpoint that "the void"/"the true self" is the soul, and therefore one perfect soul for every thing.

I guess its just a matter of terminology, in this case. Perhaps comparing the soul to the true self was a big-time error of terminology... xD

slash112 · #83 03-02-2018, 07:43 PM

Oh how terminology can mess us up. xD

Language is st00pid

One man's "quit" is another man's "cheese".

swampgrl · #84 03-02-2018, 07:54 PM

Thought I'd share something I came across yesterday:

"Whatever answer you may seek, it is precisely where you are not looking."

Where is perception during a barrel roll? I don't remember, it's all a burr.

slash112 · #85 03-02-2018, 07:56 PM

Ahah, brilliant!

You could also say: "Whatever you seek, it is probably where you are looking FROM". Unrelated points, but still xD

blossomingtree · #86 03-02-2018, 09:01 PM

Nibbana

"This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications, the relinquishment of all acquisitions, the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Nibbana."

— AN 3.32

"There is, monks, an unborn — unbecome — unmade — unfabricated. If there were not that unborn — unbecome — unmade — unfabricated, there would not be the case that emancipation from the born — become — made — fabricated would be discerned. But precisely because there is an unborn — unbecome — unmade — unfabricated, emancipation from the born — become — made — fabricated is discerned."

— Ud 8.3

Doubt it's a temporary thing.

BT

slash112 · #87 03-02-2018, 09:17 PM

Thanks for that BT.

When I said I often refer to "The Void" as Nirvana, I understand that it is not literally it. I know Nirvana is actually "the goal".

But I see that the goal is always there. Even when we've not reached the goal, it is there.

I mean, if you truly put your sense of self in The Void, you immediately have no fabrications, no acquisitions, no cravings, etc. Because YOU are literally nothingness and ego knows it.

So, ego can be there with all it's passions. But YOU aren't there with the passions. Stay there and the passions just fall away, bringing you to the goal.

My point is, yes Nirvana is the goal. But the goal can be touched and tasted at any time, almost as if it's a "thing". But of course it's not a thing it's a no-thing.

slash112 · #88 03-02-2018, 11:43 PM

I've had some time to think about this. I think I've mellowed it out quite nicely. It's just terminology, but damn that is gonna be important for me.

"The Void" = the eyeball of truth

"Nirvana" = The blissful state of seeing purely through/from the eyeball of truth

"purely" = the absence of filters (identity, fabrications, passions) created by ego

swampgrl · #89 04-02-2018, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slash112

It's just terminology,

Funny you say that <me grinning>...

Why is it that even when concepts are greater then their definition are named?

Nonduality is a duality by name.

"there are places where the road keeps on going, it all keeps on going" When a road keeps on going, what is the use in signs?

I guess signs were designed to help people from getting lost, take away all signs and all is lost. Or is it?

No location
No Lost
No Found.

The location of this post is #123.

blossomingtree · #90 04-02-2018, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slash112

Thanks for that BT.

When I said I often refer to "The Void" as Nirvana, I understand that it is not literally it. I know Nirvana is actually "the goal".

But I see that the goal is always there. Even when we've not reached the goal, it is there.

I mean, if you truly put your sense of self in The Void, you immediately have no fabrications, no acquisitions, no cravings, etc. Because YOU are literally nothingness and ego knows it.

So, ego can be there with all it's passions. But YOU aren't there with the passions. Stay there and the passions just fall away, bringing you to the goal.

My point is, yes Nirvana is the goal. But the goal can be touched and tasted at any time, almost as if it's a "thing". But of course it's not a thing it's a no-thing.

Hi there slash112:

Realization or identification of what you call "the Void" is just one of the first steps of determined practice, in my opinion.

Nirvana is not just touching "the Void" (what you refer to as the "Void" is omni-present anyway) it is the full cessation of all dhammas. Ego is gone or otherwise completely quiescent. It's not a temporary, temporal experience IMO.

YMMV.

BT