nothing from nothing?

[Gem]

Big bang theory never claimed a 'beginning' anyway.

Originally Posted by Gem

Big bang theory never claimed a 'beginning' anyway.

IF anything, just the beginning of this universe.but that doesnt mean it was created form nothing. Think of thermodynamics. Energy/matter cannot be created, or destroyed, just change form. This suggests that everything that is in exsistance, has always been , in one way, shape or form.

My personal take on it, is that the cycles on the planet, and solar systems reflec the creation/destructiuon of the universe. Basically, it destroys itself, and creates it self again, and again, in one giant cycle, that is 100% obervable in life, the planet and the solar system.

There is a time this universe is manifested; there is a time that it withdraws in the Absolute and lies dormant until it is time to reappear. The universe "reincarnates" and is build up from its predecessors much like we do. Hindus call it the Days and Nights of Brahma.

Things like this always remind me of the Hermetic (Trismegistus's) law "as above so below" which, logically, must also hold reversed: "as below so above." What we see, know, from our lives here can be applied to/can explain higher realms.

This is only my theory.

Originally Posted by Bluegreen

There is a time this universe is manifested; there is a time that it withdraws in the Absolute and lies dormant until it is time to reappear. The universe "reincarnates" and is build up from its predecessors much like we do. Hindus call it the Days and Nights of Brahma.

Things like this always remind me of the Hermetic (Trismegistus's) law "as above so below" which, logically, must also hold reversed: "as below so above." What we see, know, from our lives here can be applied to/can explain higher realms.

This is only my theory.

In other words

The mendelbrot set

Originally Posted by Time

In other words

The mendelbrot set

Sure. Like fractals. Thanks, Time, for pointing that out. I never saw the connection. There have been descriptions of the universe being one big fractal. It appeared that way to Mellon Thomas Benedict in his NDE.

Originally Posted by Time

IF anything, just the beginning of this universe.but that doesnt mean it was created form nothing. Think of thermodynamics. Energy/matter cannot be created, or destroyed, just change form. This suggests that everything that is in exsistance, has always been , in one way, shape or form.

My personal take on it, is that the cycles on the planet, and solar systems reflec the creation/destructiuon of the universe. Basically, it destroys itself, and creates it self again, and again, in one giant cycle, that is 100% obervable in life, the planet and the solar system.

I agree with you entirely.

Originally Posted by Bluegreen

Sure. Like fractals. Thanks, Time, for pointing that out. I never saw the connection. There have been descriptions of the universe being one big fractal. It appeared that way to Mellon Thomas Benedict in his NDE.

I think the mendalbrot set is THE fractal though, I think it came from a equasion explaining the universe, and BAM, you get that ever repeating never ending as above so below sort of thing..

[hybrid]

Originally Posted by Time

IF anything, just the beginning of this universe.but that doesnt mean it was created form nothing. Think of thermodynamics. Energy/matter cannot be created, or destroyed, just change form. This suggests that everything that is in exsistance, has always been , in one way, shape or form.

this is easy to imagine if space and time is absolute and matter are just created and destroyed.

wierd thing about big bang is that it is space and time that was being created in the first place, then matter. these things are considered as what constitute everything. so it's hard to think what is prior to the big bang, so people called it nothing

Originally Posted by jondav

you dont get anything from nothing.

Agreed. Nothing comes from nothing. I figure that there was some very simple existence -- a "cosmic egg" -- that changed until it became the universe we see today.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Originally Posted by Eudaimonist

Agreed. Nothing comes from nothing. I figure that there was some very simple existence -- a "cosmic egg" -- that changed until it became the universe we see today.


eudaimonia,

Mark

everything comes from nothing.

all comes from nothing
all returns to nothing

just like Never is Forever.