Violence.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by sky123

If it didn't/doesn't exist we wouldn't be talking about it

Then why did you start a thread on VIOLENCE if it does not exist?

[sky]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

Then why did you start a thread on VIOLENCE if it does not exist?

Of course it EXISTS read the OT plenty there to prove it, so they say

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by sky123

Of course it EXISTS read the OT plenty there to prove it, so they say

You claim violence exist today in Christianity but you can not give even one example.

As for violence, much violence has been committed by Buddhists but nobody seems to want to talk about that. Which religion has more violence: Buddhism or Christianity?

[inavalan]

This is the opening post:

Originally Posted by sky123

Why did God condone and order such terrible acts of violence found in the OT? If some believe the Bible to be the ' Word of God ' then you have to believe God was as guilty as the perpetrators or even worse....

A Teenager asked me this question and I answered in my own personal opinion that the OT is not the ' Word of God ' which of course led to more questions and an never-ending conversation which I bowed out off and advised them to do some contemplating....

You should've explained that the "terrible acts of violence found in the OT" are symbolic messages, as everything there is. You have to interpret those stories, like with dreams.

Their value is in the underlying message, not in the form. The church's interpretation isn't necessarily accurate either.

Add to that errors and wording changes during copying and translations, then the individual understanding of each faithful reader, and you can see how the original meaning is lost.

[davidmartin]

for theists the questioning of the morality of violence is something that comes from God. so if any violence appears in the scripture it has to be resolved somehow or other. the key point seems to be that the questioning of it comes from God which is inbuilt into us. It seems better to value these things we have built in sometimes and trust in them to me

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by davidmartin

for theists the questioning of the morality of violence is something that comes from God. so if any violence appears in the scripture it has to be resolved somehow or other. the key point seems to be that the questioning of it comes from God which is inbuilt into us. It seems better to value these things we have built in sometimes and trust in them to me

sky123 claims the Old Testament contains a lot of violence.

The first major act of violence mentioned in the Bible was when Cain killed his brother. Neither man was a Christian, Jew, Hebrew, etc.

One can claim this proves Christianity is violent but I do not think any reasonable person would accept that argument.

I had one business in which one relatively high ranking Buddhist paid for two transactions with a check. Both checks were worthless. I helped the County's prosecutors office catch the chap. At that time, he had passed 32 pieces of paper that they were aware of. He pleaded guilty, got probation. Shortly afterwards, I got reimbursed for the two bad checks. Later he had alterations with the police and they shot him done dead.

Because of that incident and other incidents I have had with Buddhist, can we honestly say Buddhist are violent?

I do not think so!

Originally Posted by sky123

Some Christian Schools have banned some verses being taught, this is one amongst many.


1 Corinthians.

"Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Can you imagine the trauma this verse could cause to Children who actually live in these types of environments through no fault of their own...

Sky123,

There is a difference between Inheriting the kingdom and entering the kingdom.

[sky]

Originally Posted by inavalan

This is the opening post:

You should've explained that the "terrible acts of violence found in the OT" are symbolic messages, as everything there is. You have to interpret those stories, like with dreams.

Their value is in the underlying message, not in the form. The church's interpretation isn't necessarily accurate either.

Add to that errors and wording changes during copying and translations, then the individual understanding of each faithful reader, and you can see how the original meaning is lost.

The problem is inavalan some youngsters are unfortunately living within ' Fundamentalist ' and what I would call ' Cult ' Families and they believe every word from the Bible, the mental trauma some must endure is horrendous.

[sky]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

sky123 claims the Old Testament contains a lot of violence.

The first major act of violence mentioned in the Bible was when Cain killed his brother. Neither man was a Christian, Jew, Hebrew, etc.

One can claim this proves Christianity is violent but I do not think any reasonable person would accept that argument.

I had one business in which one relatively high ranking Buddhist paid for two transactions with a check. Both checks were worthless. I helped the County's prosecutors office catch the chap. At that time, he had passed 32 pieces of paper that they were aware of. He pleaded guilty, got probation. Shortly afterwards, I got reimbursed for the two bad checks. Later he had alterations with the police and they shot him done dead.

Because of that incident and other incidents I have had with Buddhist, can we honestly say Buddhist are violent?

I do not think so!

Yes BJ, I do claim the OT contains a lot of violence and will continue to say so....

[sky]

Originally Posted by Molearner

Sky123,

There is a difference between Inheriting the kingdom and entering the kingdom.

Yes I know Mo, thanks...