How to practically force your ego to die?

[guthrio]

@All,

"We don't see things the way they are, we see things the way we are."

Fortunately, one may choose any way there is in Creation to see the way things are....

....any number of infinite ways at all.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by guthrio

@All,

"We don't see things the way they are, we see things the way we are."

That includes Eckhart and 'you' - self 'image' (however unconscious it may be) is a 'bug'ger , yes/no?

[guthrio]

Originally Posted by davidsun

That includes Eckhart, yes/no?

....the present includes yes/no, for each to decide as they wish, as always. (it's 'not' so bad really)

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by guthrio

@All,

"We don't see things the way they are, we see things the way we are."

Fortunately, one may choose any way there is in Creation to see the way things are....

....any number of infinite ways at all.

We see things the way we are because of the beliefs and the knowledge that we store in our subconscious mind. It does not matter if those beliefs and knowledge are based on intelligence/wisdom/truth/concrete facts/objectivity/non-duality/freedom/neutral/unity/integrated based thoughts, feelings and emotions that come from our intuition-our inner knowing/oneness/non-duality/unconditional love or if those beliefs and knowledge are based on the ego's intellect- the IQ/Duality based thinking thus, thoughts, emotions and feelings that come from the ego that only loves itself conditionally- The ego wants and needs something of value to love, something that is perceived to have or to hold value is a reward or a benefit (gold is an easy example).

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by guthrio

....the present includes yes/no, for each to decide as they wish, as always. (it's 'not' so bad really)

The present moment-the right here and now, which can also be called the Non-duality unconditional love objective reality will give you obstacles/problems for you to overcome. This is how humankind evolves. These problems/obstacles are caused by false beliefs/knowledge that are based on duality/conditional love. Once you overcome your personal problems/obstacles in the present moment you become the problem/obstacle for others in the present moment. I learned this from my own personal experience. I did not read this anywhere. I used to avoid the present moment thus, my problems/obstacles at all costs because I did not like what I saw in the present moment. It is ridiculous how everything in life is so much easier and how much energy you save and have have true adulterated unlimited intelligence and freedom when you are aware in the present moment. This is the reason why I am so passionate about all of this. Sorrow, greed, pain, etc etc are all gone in the present moment.

When you are fully aware of all the above yourself and you connect all the dots yourself, what I wrote above will prove that beliefs and knowledge based on duality/dualism is nothing but an illusion, and the non duality present moment is in front of everyones eyes, people just need to dump their duality based beliefs and knowledge in order to perceive it. This also proves the physical universe, spirituality and the mind/mental are not separate from each other, meaning non-duality/the one/unconditional love, unity, peace, harmony etc etc. I am currently working on a post/thread that goes into greater detail about duality/dualism.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by guthrio

....the present includes yes/no, for each to decide as they wish, as always. (it's 'not' so bad really)

True!

Originally Posted by guthrio's signature

“Why, that’s true! I am a perfect, unlimited gull!” Jonathan opened his eyes asking, "Where are we?” The Elder Chiang said, “We’re on some planet with a green sky and a double star for a sun.” Jonathan made a scree of delight. “IT WORKS!" “Well, of course it works, Jon,” said Chiang. “It always works, when you know what you’re doing." (and even when you don't)

Based on Eckhart's proposition about how people see things, one might conclude that you, guthrio, 'image'-in your self (the way 'you' are) as being 'perfect' just as 'you' presently are.

I on the other hand 'see' the idea of 'perfection' as being of dubious value -- actually a miss-leading one -- in that it leads to self-reification, since I believe Life (a/k/a 'God') to be ever-evolving in terms of growing and developing towards an ever more glorious version (i.e. experience and expression) of Itself.

From my treatise:

... it has more recently struck me that developments in the field of modern computer systems may provide us with an even more illustrative model for the universally creative, feedback-loop based interfusion of The Essence [i.e. 'the Father'] of Creativity and the Life of every individual and amalgamated aspect of Its expression. To explore this proposition, imagine if you will that the main aim or goal of said Essence’s ‘program’ –- the primary motive (i.e. desire) ensconced in its ‘source code’ – is to maximally [hence ever-more grandly - there is no 'perfect' 'zenith' in this regard] express and thereby experience Love and Joy, to Joyfully express and experience Love and Lovingly express and experience Joy to the greatest possible degree in every possible way, or something like that.

... to picture the activity of the Living Entity of our Creation (i.e., of ‘the Son’), imagine a universe-sized network made up of an infinite array of banks upon banks of computers matrixially web-strung together by way of both parallel and series connections, all simultaneously, individually and together, multi-processing the above referenced Love and Joy ‘program’, with each processor and every amalgamation thereof functionally outputting the ‘solution’ it ‘calculates’ will most probably yield the greatest possible Love and Joy ‘result’ in its case (as far as it can prognostically project, that is), which ‘solution’ then operationally functions as input in relation of any and all associated processors to whatever extent they ‘calculate’ it to be relevant to their own Love and Joy process, such that said output-n-input data-packet sequences co-actively ripple and reverberate around the network, sparking Love and Joy focused perceptions and decisions (i.e., experiences and expressions) which conjointly determine what takes place here, there and everywhere in ‘the body’ of said Entity over the course of time.

"A perfect, unlimited gull?", "A planet with a green sky and a double star for a sun"? Pshaw!

[guthrio]

As mentioned in reply to the OP's post, I consider Jyotir's treatment of the question of "ego" to be the most cogent description of the human condition I've ever read, and moreover, to the points he raised to proceed from said condition to the actual realization of a solution thereto.

Interestingly, I have yet to hear from the OP, to whom I offered at least 2 other creative solutions, based on his request for them. I'd especially like to hear what he'd do with Creative Solution #4!

I base my progress in life on what I decide is relevant to me, and have learned enough of life to afford others the same deference, regardless whether others have chosen to learn this, themselves.

As always, I'm enjoying the interesting opinions presented in this thread (including mine ), whose relevance remains dependent upon the advocates who proffer them, and whose acceptance remains dependent upon the listeners who choose to (or not)! I thank you for them, regardless!

....However, I__

I take the road I travel by, and that makes all the difference, to me.

Originally Posted by guthrio

As mentioned in reply to the OP's post, I consider Jyotir's treatment of the question of "ego" to be the most cogent description of the human condition I've ever read, and moreover, to the points he raised to proceed from said condition to the actual realization of a solution thereto.
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I went back and followed the link in your post and yeah, it's a good one and what one would expect to hear from an Advaita Vedantist. As a matter of fact I've listened to quite a few talks by Swami Sarvapriyananda elucidating this point. It's central to the philosophy as I understand it.

[FairyCrystal]

You don't want your ego to die, we need our egos. You want the hurt ego to heal, but that's very different.
You do that by working on your issues.
At the same time for men it's important to work on being able to open their heart, for women their Sacral chakra/belly as this is where the resp. wounds are to be found.

Balance your inner masculine & feminine energy and off you go to live a happy life.
Ego is part of the masculine, you want to destroy that? It'd mean no more sense of self, no distinction, no sense of individuality, no ability to distance yourself and look at things from that perspective.
Quite the loss... Also impossible and a shame to waste time and energy on something you shouldn't waste it on.
Spend it on growth.

[guthrio]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

I went back and followed the link in your post and yeah, it's a good one and what one would expect to hear from an Advaita Vedantist. As a matter of fact I've listened to quite a few talks by Swami Sarvapriyananda elucidating this point. It's central to the philosophy as I understand it.

JustASimpleGuy,

Enjoyed your response above, which obviously is the expected outcome of the tenants Bruce Lee espouses in your signature:

"Research your own experience; absorb what is useful, reject what is useless and add what is essentially your own." ~ Bruce Lee

I couldn't have stated the rationale buttressing my own posts any better....especially the "absorb what is useful" and "reject what is useless" parts concerning such!