Limitation of Beliefs

Originally Posted by athribiristan

As I said, it depends on what you choose to believe.

I believe that I am a divine immortal being.

That thought is very empowering. It has freed me from a great many other beliefs that have held me back.

Very genuine thoughts, athribiristan.

Originally Posted by Greenslade

Sometimes it's interesting to walk the Path and enjoy the scenery. When you turn that corner there's a different Path and different scenery.

When Life becomes a search for the question and you realize that you already ARE the answer, it takes a curious twist.

Kindly expand on this, Greenslade.

[Internal Queries]

so i'd like to believe in myself, my Self and that my inner experience have validity but i can't ... not really ... not consistantly anyway. though for long moments at a time i believe in what i experience when i "come down" out a trance state i immediately begin to doubt what i've just experienced. at which point i don't trust myself and i'm not sure if The Self exists or whether my inner experiences are anything other than very imaginative self deceptions.

i can't seem to CHOOSE to believe. i can't manufacture "belief" or "faith" like other folks are apparently able to do. though my inner experiences seem quite real in the moment, follow logical patterns and even have some basis in science my doubt persists. it's frustrating because i'd really like to believe. i'd be a happier person if i could.

Originally Posted by Internal Queries

so i'd like to believe in myself, my Self and that my inner experience have validity but i can't ... not really ... not consistantly anyway. though for long moments at a time i believe in what i experience when i "come down" out a trance state i immediately begin to doubt what i've just experienced. at which point i don't trust myself and i'm not sure if The Self exists or whether my inner experiences are anything other than very imaginative self deceptions.

i can't seem to CHOOSE to believe. i can't manufacture "belief" or "faith" like other folks are apparently able to do. though my inner experiences seem quite real in the moment, follow logical patterns and even have some basis in science my doubt persists. it's frustrating because i'd really like to believe. i'd be a happier person if i could.

Your spiritual mileage is not usually measurable by your own self. Only when you speak with people around you and get hurt by their negativity will you then understand the space which you have traveled.

[Internal Queries]

Originally Posted by astroboy

Your spiritual mileage is not usually measurable by your own self. Only when you speak with people around you and get hurt by their negativity will you then understand the space which you have traveled.

that seems profound, astroboy but i don't know what you mean.

Originally Posted by Internal Queries

that seems profound, astroboy but i don't know what you mean.

It means your subjective experiences are unique to yourself only. However, there are those who have traveled the Path and can tell you that you're doing fine and encourage you to continue even 'further'.

[athribiristan]

Originally Posted by astroboy

It means your subjective experiences are unique to yourself only. However, there are those who have traveled the Path and can tell you that you're doing fine and encourage you to continue even 'further'.

Agreed. Keep putting one spiritual foot in front of the other. You are even now making a tough transition from knowledge to Faith.

Originally Posted by athribiristan

Agreed. Keep putting one spiritual foot in front of the other. You are even now making a tough transition from knowledge to Faith.

The path gets narrower in a sense, but wider in understanding.

[Internal Queries]

Originally Posted by athribiristan

Agreed. Keep putting one spiritual foot in front of the other. You are even now making a tough transition from knowledge to Faith.

well gee ... i hope so but telepathy with other physical human beings seems to be considered a crazy idea, even on this open minded site. so much of my "faith" in the spiritual work i do is dependent on the actuality of the my fellow co-operants.

sheesh! it would have been so much easier if my inner experiences had been restricted to telepathic communication disembodied guides or angels where confirmation of their reality wouldn't feel necessary. faith would be so easy to achieve. but when your inner contacts are apparently also in physical bodies somewhere in the world it throws an extra complication into the works. if what i experience is just my imagination what might be the psychological reason for me to complicate it like that? why didn't i create my inner reality with the fail safe of nonphysicality?

if what i experience is just my imagination what would be the psychological reason for me to complicate it like that?
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I'm not qualified to answer this question. Not a psychologist. But however, as a participant, I would like to tell you that you get better at whatever you're doing with practice. If telepathy interests you, then by all means, pursue it. One day you'll be able to open a school and train others in a more professional way. The present trainers could not be full-time in this profession, who knows?