The Bible

Originally Posted by knightofalbion

There were 'Christians' long before the Master Jesus incarnated.

The term in truth refers to the seeking and attainment of Christ Consciousness.
Something entirely different from how the term has been passed down to us.

Gods word is clear--The Israelites were Gods chosen, from before the red sea until--The renting of the banner upon Jesus death-Matt 23:37-38--clearly shows they have been cut off of beings Gods chosen--God did leave the door open--They must accept Jesus as the Messiah--they refuse.
Jesus and the apostles stopped attending synagogues and started gathering themselves together--The Pharisees even called the new religion( the way) a sect. And as well were teaching Jesus got his power from satan. The Iasrael mentioned after this--is referring to spiritual Israel--meaning--Gods chosen= the real followers of Jesus--a single religion started( 1Cor 1:10)not many. One truth, one faith, one religion, one God-John 4:22-24.

[JibJab]

Originally Posted by kjw47

Gods word is clear--The Israelites were Gods chosen, from before the red sea until--The renting of the banner upon Jesus death-Matt 23:37-38--clearly shows they have been cut off of beings Gods chosen--God did leave the door open--They must accept Jesus as the Messiah--they refuse.
Jesus and the apostles stopped attending synagogues and started gathering themselves together--The Pharisees even called the new religion( the way) a sect. And as well were teaching Jesus got his power from satan. The Iasrael mentioned after this--is referring to spiritual Israel--meaning--Gods chosen= the real followers of Jesus--a single religion started( 1Cor 1:10)not many. One truth, one faith, one religion, one God-John 4:22-24.

This is a highly controversial issue in which you're hinting at. KJW47, and by the way nice meeting you

The controversy I am bringing to attention is whether Theocratic Israel of today is truly Israel or whether the Church is a Spiritual Israel, receiving the promises made throughout the Old Testament in what are known as Types and Shadows. I believe True Israel today is not limited to only the nation or theocratic Israel of today, but in fulling the promise that the Elect shall inherit the Earth, True Israel has encompassed not only believing Jews but expanded outwards to include the Gentile nations.

I do not believe anybody knowing Scripture is going to argue against Ancient Israel being called out or chosen or the Elect. However, I'd just like to touch upon the fact that at the time of Jesus’ birth, the faithful remnant (true Israel) included believers such as Simeon and Anna (Luke 2:25–38). During Jesus’ adult ministry, true Israel was most visible in those Jewish disciples who believed that Jesus was the Messiah. Those who rejected Jesus were not true Israel, regardless of their race. This included many of the scribes and Pharisees. Though they were physically Jews, they were not true Israel (Rom. 2:28–29). True Israel became defined by union with the true Israelite—Jesus Christ (Gal. 3:16, 29).

On the day of Pentecost, the true Israel, Jewish believers in Jesus, was taken by the Holy Spirit and formed into the nucleus of the New Testament church (Acts 2). The Holy Spirit was poured out on the true Israel, and the same men and women who were part of this true Israel were now the true new covenant church. Soon after, Gentiles began to become a part of this small group.

When we are talking about True Israel, there really is no distinction. The true Israel of the Old Testament became the nucleus of the true church on the day of Pentecost. Here the analogy of the olive tree that Paul uses in Romans 11 is instructive. The tree represents the covenant people of God—Israel. Paul compares unbelieving Israel to branches that have been broken off from the olive tree (v. 17a). Believing Gentiles are compared to branches from a wild olive tree that have been grafted in to the cultivated olive tree (vv. 17b–19). The important point to notice is that God does not cut the old tree down and plant a new one (replacement theology). Neither does God plant a second new tree alongside the old tree and then graft branches from the old tree into the new tree (traditional dispensationalism). Instead, the same tree exists across the divide between Old and New Testaments. That which remains after the dead branches are removed is the true Israel. Gentile believers are now grafted into this already existing old tree (true Israel/the true church). There is only one good olive tree, and the same olive tree exists across the covenantal divide.

JibJab

[kkfern]

please in 2000 years and more since then has he not chosen more and others? live in the now. know god now. we are all chosen for something.

kk

[JibJab]

Originally Posted by kkfern

please in 2000 years and more since then has he not chosen more and others? live in the now. know god now. we are all chosen for something.

kk

To who is your post addressed kkfern?

And yes, we are all chosen for something, some may not like what they were chosen for, however, in context Chosen, Elect or the Outcalled or rather the Greek Word ekklesia is what is being discussed here.

Romans 9 21:24

21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?

[kkfern]

well i guess kjw47 turned the topic from cosmic/Christ consciousness. to the chosen.

thinking in terms of the chosen as an elite is to recognize the supersize ego of a religion. god does not play favorites. god is the god of all. to claim to be special just serves to separate. that is not god's way.

kk

Originally Posted by kkfern

well i guess kjw47 turned the topic from cosmic/Christ consciousness. to the chosen.

thinking in terms of the chosen as an elite is to recognize the supersize ego of a religion. god does not play favorites. god is the god of all. to claim to be special just serves to separate. that is not god's way.

kk

Yes God is the God of all--Few know him. The few that do and live to do his will have God on their side, the rest do not. You call it being Elite--I call it being wise.
Take young David for Example-- a teenager standing up against Goliath and the Philistines--David said--You come with sword, javelin and shield, I come in the name of YHWH(Jehovah) David slung the stone and Goliath was dead. -- David knew God and lived to do his will, so God was with him.
Ot -- one religion, one God, One faith, One truth--- same today.

Originally Posted by JibJab

This is a highly controversial issue in which you're hinting at. KJW47, and by the way nice meeting you

The controversy I am bringing to attention is whether Theocratic Israel of today is truly Israel or whether the Church is a Spiritual Israel, receiving the promises made throughout the Old Testament in what are known as Types and Shadows. I believe True Israel today is not limited to only the nation or theocratic Israel of today, but in fulling the promise that the Elect shall inherit the Earth, True Israel has encompassed not only believing Jews but expanded outwards to include the Gentile nations.

I do not believe anybody knowing Scripture is going to argue against Ancient Israel being called out or chosen or the Elect. However, I'd just like to touch upon the fact that at the time of Jesus’ birth, the faithful remnant (true Israel) included believers such as Simeon and Anna (Luke 2:25–38). During Jesus’ adult ministry, true Israel was most visible in those Jewish disciples who believed that Jesus was the Messiah. Those who rejected Jesus were not true Israel, regardless of their race. This included many of the scribes and Pharisees. Though they were physically Jews, they were not true Israel (Rom. 2:28–29). True Israel became defined by union with the true Israelite—Jesus Christ (Gal. 3:16, 29).

On the day of Pentecost, the true Israel, Jewish believers in Jesus, was taken by the Holy Spirit and formed into the nucleus of the New Testament church (Acts 2). The Holy Spirit was poured out on the true Israel, and the same men and women who were part of this true Israel were now the true new covenant church. Soon after, Gentiles began to become a part of this small group.

When we are talking about True Israel, there really is no distinction. The true Israel of the Old Testament became the nucleus of the true church on the day of Pentecost. Here the analogy of the olive tree that Paul uses in Romans 11 is instructive. The tree represents the covenant people of God—Israel. Paul compares unbelieving Israel to branches that have been broken off from the olive tree (v. 17a). Believing Gentiles are compared to branches from a wild olive tree that have been grafted in to the cultivated olive tree (vv. 17b–19). The important point to notice is that God does not cut the old tree down and plant a new one (replacement theology). Neither does God plant a second new tree alongside the old tree and then graft branches from the old tree into the new tree (traditional dispensationalism). Instead, the same tree exists across the divide between Old and New Testaments. That which remains after the dead branches are removed is the true Israel. Gentile believers are now grafted into this already existing old tree (true Israel/the true church). There is only one good olive tree, and the same olive tree exists across the covenantal divide.

JibJab

There is 0 doubt whatsoever Israel is not Gods chosen--Not one, who refuses to accept Jesus as the Messiah is of God.
Jesus and the apostles stopped attending the synagogues and gathered elsewhere, Gods word says they were called--the way-- The Pharisees said the new religion was a sect and Jesus got his power from satan.( obviously still feel the same)
I believe it died when the apostles were all murdered, then the christians were hunted down and bullied and finally thrown to wild animals in the collosium to be ripped to shreds in front of the cheering crowds.
The great apostasy arose( Catholicism councils)
never fixed, until Jesus real teachers came back, here in these last days and these hidden truths have been revealed through them, obviously the supposed Christian world took note of these events-- one set of teachers that Jesus reveals these truths through, stood up looking for truth and made correctiopns in front of all the ridiculing hearts. the world is rejecting it just like back then.

[JibJab]

Originally Posted by kkfern

well i guess kjw47 turned the topic from cosmic/Christ consciousness. to the chosen.

thinking in terms of the chosen as an elite is to recognize the supersize ego of a religion. god does not play favorites. god is the god of all. to claim to be special just serves to separate. that is not god's way.

kk

There is a God we want and a God who is, and the Two are not the same.

[Amilius777]

Mickel,

I think you are missing the difference.

It is not Jesus Christ's consciousness, it is the CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS.

Jesus and Christ are in fact two separate realities but made one in that unique lifetime we know who was called Jesus of Nazareth.

Christ is in the entire Old Testament any time God bestowed his "anointing" on a certain prophet or king. Christ means "anointed one", one who is anointed by oil. The anointing is over the head, just as in the East someone who is awakening is called "an awakened One"

"Anointed One"- the Christ, "Awakened One"- the Buddha. These refer to the same state of Consciousness.

John's Gospel calls it, the Word of God. Christ the Word, Christ Consciousness is one of the Trinity. It is a part of God. And that consciousness which is universal was in others throughout history.

Jesus was a highly evolved soul, a pure entity who embodied the "fullness" of the Deity, the fullness of Christ consciousness. This state of mind is the very mind-power behind the universe.

John's Gospel was basically trying to add to the other Gospels saying- not only was the Christ spirit incarnated in Jesus, but that spirit is also a Cosmic consciousness (He calls the LOGOS) which is incarnated within the very Universe. Logos in Greek means- "divine reason in the cosmos". That is the cosmic Christ.

It is just that nobody has ever manifested the fullness of that Consciousness, except Jesus- who was the human incarnation of that Consciousness. That is why Jesus was able, even as a Man, to partake of the Trinity.

[kkfern]

Originally Posted by kjw47

Yes God is the God of all--Few know him. The few that do and live to do his will have God on their side, the rest do not. You call it being Elite--I call it being wise.
Take young David for Example-- a teenager standing up against Goliath and the Philistines--David said--You come with sword, javelin and shield, I come in the name of YHWH(Jehovah) David slung the stone and Goliath was dead. -- David knew God and lived to do his will, so God was with him.
Ot -- one religion, one God, One faith, One truth--- same today.

For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

pick and choose to fit your will not the will of god. he does not play favorites.

god of all. all faiths. all have truth.

kk