Who created the universe?

Originally Posted by Seawolf

I think we start to know a little something when know we don't know anything.

I think you're right. When I was a Bible believing Christian, I was continually worried and anxious about my salvation. I taught childrens classes, went to Bible studies, organized Vacation Bible Schools, had all the 'right' church friends, and I still had concerns. The verses that talk about how some people are fertile soil and some are stoney ground and I always wondered, was I the soil that 'thought it was doing ok' but would one day find out that I had missed the mark.

But as I've finally come to realize and accept that neither I nor the Bible believers really know what comes next, I've become a much more relaxed spiritual person. And I know what all the Christians who might happen to read this will be muttering to themselves, but that's ok, mutter away, because your reality is what it is, just as mine, is what it is. And I'm flexible, I can adjust as necessary which I never used to be when I was in the church. Anyway, out of that openess, will come knowing. One thing I do agree with Christian teaching on and that is that God, the Source, the One, I Am, is more than happy to pass on info if you're seeking it, looking for it, wanting a relationship. So since I'm open........

[Mathew James]

Originally Posted by DebbyM

...God, the Source, the One, I Am, is more than happy to pass on info if you're seeking it, looking for it, wanting a relationship. So since I'm open........

sound like your ready to start reading the Qur'an.


mj

Originally Posted by S-word

Go for it DebbyM, don't you ever be believing nothin what you ever bin readin innabook, don't you ever learn from dem mugs what knows nothin.

Now you're being silly S-word and teasing, but really that's not what I said. What I think is that we can all learn something from books because they are the repository of knowledge and experiences of people that we'll never have an opportunity to meet and discuss stuff with. Books are the next best thing.

But I think it's important to not just look at one book written from one perspective, but to look at anything that may offer some slight connection to the topic of spirituality. I think by doing that, one might begin to discern patterns in those connections, and those patterns of thought lead you to other patterns and ultimately, the picture becomes clearer and we come closer to 'knowing'. But if you hang it all on one book....

Just my perspective folks, for what it's worth.

Originally Posted by DebbyM

I think you're right. When I was a Bible believing Christian, I was continually worried and anxious about my salvation. I taught childrens classes, went to Bible studies, organized Vacation Bible Schools, had all the 'right' church friends, and I still had concerns. The verses that talk about how some people are fertile soil and some are stoney ground and I always wondered, was I the soil that 'thought it was doing ok' but would one day find out that I had missed the mark.

But as I've finally come to realize and accept that neither I nor the Bible believers really know what comes next, I've become a much more relaxed spiritual person. And I know what all the Christians who might happen to read this will be muttering to themselves, but that's ok, mutter away, because your reality is what it is, just as mine, is what it is. And I'm flexible, I can adjust as necessary which I never used to be when I was in the church. Anyway, out of that openess, will come knowing. One thing I do agree with Christian teaching on and that is that God, the Source, the One, I Am, is more than happy to pass on info if you're seeking it, looking for it, wanting a relationship. So since I'm open........

Then believe this DebbyM, if you are able.

It is given to all, to be the judge of "Who They Are." You are the judge of He, who evolved from the beginnings of time and has evolved to become "Who You Are," you may either accept your indwelling ancestral parental spirit, for who He is, and become an obedient servant to, and an extension of "Who You Are," and as "Who You Are," you can continue in the process of evolution till the close of this period of universal activity, or you can obey the spirit that was in the beginning, AS HE IS, in his perfection at the ends of time, and condemn "Who You Are," today, who is, "Who He Was" in the past.

But you must remember, that He, the only exception of all mankind to have evolved to the ends of time and who has entered into the Logos God as the supreme Personality of Godhead, gains his great knowledge, wisdom, and wonderful insight, from the pain and the suffering that the body in which he develops, endures from the mistakes that are made by that body, of which it's continued existence is justified by the perfect child that is born from it with the death of that three dimensional body, when the umbilical cord that binds our invisible Son in the invisible dimension that co-exists within this three dimensional world, to the great androgynous body of mankind.

For the woman is saved through child birth. Psalms 51: 5; Behold, I was shapen in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Ah now my friends, come soar with me
To the outer limits of reality
This universe, though wide it seems
Is but the shadow of our dreams
We are nought but knowledge in these tents
Refined through pain and punishment
We're the hive of man and neath His rod
We are one, we're the Son of God
The past, the present, the future is He
He was, He is, and He will be
And heaven is but a point in time
To where the spirit in man must climb
Eventually when He's there at last
And stands and gazes on His past
And takes the throne prepared in heaven
Then all His past will be forgiven.
I am who I am, the die is cast
For I was created by my past
And we who we are this very day
Determines His future in every way
If my past were changed, then who would I be?
One thing is certain, I wouldn't be me......... By S-word.

Only when you know yourself and accept yourself for "Who You Are," will you be known and accepted for who you are. This is the truth that will set you free.

Originally Posted by Mathew James

sound like your ready to start reading the Qur'an.


mj

Ha! Does that mean that you'd be willing to walk me through it?

Seriously, if so, thanks for the offer, but my impression of Islam is that it has a lot of similarities to Christianity and to Judaism, at least as far as the attitude of participants goes and I've spent my time immersed in the one and found the experience 'wanting'. At this point, I think that my beliefs are closer to Buddhist thinking (with perhaps slight variations) than anything.

Originally Posted by DebbyM

One thing I do agree with Christian teaching on and that is that God, the Source, the One, I Am, is more than happy to pass on info if you're seeking it, looking for it, wanting a relationship. So since I'm open........

So Debbie, are you saying that the unseen Father (the thought behind the creation), that is, the omnipresent Source of all being revealed in and by the Son (the Word calling it forth), and/is experienced in and by the Holy Spirit (the deed making it reality)?

Originally Posted by S-word

Then believe this DebbyM, if you are able.

It is given to all, to be the judge of "Who They Are." You are the judge of He, who evolved from the beginnings of time and has evolved to become "Who You Are," you may either accept your indwelling ancestral parental spirit, for who He is, and become an obedient servant to, and an extension of "Who You Are," and as "Who You Are," you can continue in the process of evolution till the close of this period of universal activity, or you can obey the spirit that was in the beginning, AS HE IS, in his perfection at the ends of time, and condemn "Who You Are," today, who is, "Who He Was" in the past.

But you must remember, that He, the only exception of all mankind to have evolved to the ends of time and who has entered into the Logos God as the supreme Personality of Godhead, gains his great knowledge, wisdom, and wonderful insight, from the pain and the suffering that the body in which he develops, endures from the mistakes that are made by that body, of which it's continued existence is justified by the perfect child that is born from it with the death of that three dimensional body, when the umbilical cord that binds our invisible Son in the invisible dimension that co-exists within this three dimensional world, to the great androgynous body of mankind.

For the woman is saved through child birth. Psalms 51: 5; Behold, I was shapen in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Ah now my friends, come soar with me
To the outer limits of reality
This universe, though wide it seems
Is but the shadow of our dreams
We are nought but knowledge in these tents
Refined through pain and punishment
We're the hive of man and neath His rod
We are one, we're the Son of God
The past, the present, the future is He
He was, He is, and He will be
And heaven is but a point in time
To where the spirit in man must climb
Eventually when He's there at last
And stands and gazes on His past
And takes the throne prepared in heaven
Then all His past will be forgiven.
I am who I am, the die is cast
For I was created by my past
And we who we are this very day
Determines His future in every way
If my past were changed, then who would I be?
One thing is certain, I wouldn't be me......... By S-word.

Only when you know yourself and accept yourself for "Who You Are," will you be known and accepted for who you are. This is the truth that will set you free.

I'm sorry. I read your post three times and I can't figure out what you are trying to say. Maybe I'm stuck in a mental fog kind of day, but it's just not ringing through. Maybe if you tried again, or not( if you're bored). It's up to you.

I love the poem by the way. You're very gifted and such a nice way to reach people with your thoughts. Thanks for sharing it.

Originally Posted by TeeHee

So Debbie, are you saying that the unseen Father (the thought behind the creation), that is, the omnipresent Source of all being revealed in and by the Son (the Word calling it forth), and/is experienced in and by the Holy Spirit (the deed making it reality)?

Sure. We can say that if you want. And all those titles (in my opinion) are names for different aspects of the Source of the universe. Where you and I would differ is on all the stuff between, if you know what I mean. The doctrines, the favouritisms, the judgementalism, the arrogance, the sorrow and pain, all of which are invariably attendants to religious participation. Those titles are aspects, juust as I am an aspect of that source, as are you, as is the earth, the moon, dark matter.... It is all One and It is here to experience, Itself.

Think about how a lava lamp works. There's this big golden glob of 'something' and a bit of it breaks off and floats up and does its own thing for a while and then it begins to sink back down and when it reaches the 'source' of its being, it blends in and becomes 'one, again, with the All'. We never disappear, we never end, we are always a part, and in the end we just become one with the All.

That's what I think happens. In a nutshell.

Originally Posted by DebbyM

Sure. We can say that if you want. And all those titles (in my opinion) are names for different aspects of the Source of the universe. Where you and I would differ is on all the stuff between, if you know what I mean. The doctrines, the favouritisms, the judgementalism, the arrogance, the sorrow and pain, all of which are invariably attendants to religious participation. Those titles are aspects, juust as I am an aspect of that source, as are you, as is the earth, the moon, dark matter.... It is all One and It is here to experience, Itself.

Think about how a lava lamp works. This big golden glob of 'something' and a bit of it breaks off and floats up and does its own thing for a while and then it begins to sink back down and when it reaches the 'source' of its being, it blends in and becomes 'one, with the All'. We never disappear, we never end, we just become one with the All.

That's what I think happens.

Thank you Debby,

Originally Posted by DebbyM

Sure. We can say that if you want. And all those titles (in my opinion) are names for different aspects of the Source of the universe. Where you and I would differ is on all the stuff between, if you know what I mean. The doctrines, the favouritisms, the judgementalism, the arrogance, the sorrow and pain, all of which are invariably attendants to religious participation. Those titles are aspects, juust as I am an aspect of that source, as are you, as is the earth, the moon, dark matter.... It is all One and It is here to experience, Itself.

Think about how a lava lamp works. There's this big golden glob of 'something' and a bit of it breaks off and floats up and does its own thing for a while and then it begins to sink back down and when it reaches the 'source' of its being, it blends in and becomes 'one, again, with the All'. We never disappear, we never end, we are always a part, and in the end we just become one with the All.

That's what I think happens. In a nutshell.

The universal soul, which is the divine animating princile that pervades the entire universal body and all therein, is that which causes the electrons to revolve around the Nuclei, and it is into that soul which is imprinted, all the information of all the lifeforms that it has become, which information is taken in through the senses of those bodies that the Logos has become, and the Logos is eternal.

When your body is returned to the body of universal elements from which it was created, and your portion of the universal soul is returned to the Logos, a facsimile of you still exists in the universal soul, and If that information is not rejected, you will be botn again, when the universal body will be resurrected from the seemingly bottomless pit, into which it will one day descend.

But we, the minds/spirits that develop within these bodies that the Logos has become, do not necessarily live for ever, there is much information that is gathered to the Logos, which is later separated from the eternal soul/lifeforce of the universe. For he is able to divide your spirit from his soul.