Why does God not show him/her/itself?

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by ketzer

As I have said in other posts, in the end Willy Wonka was right, it really is a world of pure imagination.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/103765388...a-Construction

Originally Posted by Greenslade
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Staying with the science, all of time is happening all of time, so that means past and future are happening right here, right now, right aqlong with the present. And all of time affects all of time all of the time, so we're also talking about loops both backwards and forwards in time as we perceive it. Each individual moment is unique in 'history'. While we have a linear timeframe Spirit doesn't, Spirit can 'navigate' time and extrapolate timelines.

The European Robin has quantum-capable receptors in its eyes that act as a compass, the earth's magnetic field causes fluctuations in the receptors and tells the Robin which direction it's heading in. We have a sense of smell dues to quantum interaction with our noses and what we're smelling. Nature has already put the mechanisms in place for shared/quantum entangled realities. According to Nassim Haramein we are in a consciousness feedback loop with the Universe, and if you think about it that's just what's happening already.

Is intuition and Gnosis (knowing without knowing how you know) quantum entanglement? Where did the ancients who 'built' especailly the Eastern religions get their knowledge? .......

I also do believe as well that spirit can navigate time, looping back and choosing a different path at previously navigated junctions, or even switching (jumping?) to any path throughout the block universe. Whatever ‘present moment spot it lands on’ will have its past and future light cone associated with it to limit its perception of its potential past and future experience. Timelines (or causality lines?) fan out into the past and future bounded by those past and future cones, but all such lines, these rays of light, pass through the origin of that present moment. Yet it may seem to spirit, as it looks back into its past light cone, that it has probably been on one of those linear timelines all along. When spirit looks into the future causality cone it sees many different chains of cause and effect with perceived differing probabilities, which it must navigate to create one future timeline. Of course as soon as it takes its next action, it is on a different present moment within time, with different (even if only slightly) past and future cones, and all those future probabilities are reexamined, as well as the new possible past timelines that intersect with its new present moment. And so it goes, hopping from present moment to present moment though the block universe, navigating its chains of cause and effect and becoming one timeline as it plays its multidimensional game of “connect the dots”, known as “this lifetime”.

Time in this block universe is just another direction like space. Time and space actually are believed to “switch roles” within the ‘interior’ of a black hole. Spirit however, at least it seems for this life experience we are living, is limited in the direction of time by the second law of thermodynamics. It can only take and experience actions in the direction of increasing entropy. This is what defines the direction of the light/causality cones, at least unless it decides to navigate (jump/loop) through the fifth dimension to a new point in four dimensional spacetime

One clue to this ability of spirit to navigate anywhere through the multidimensional block universe is the density of the vacuum energy of space. Theoretically it should be infinite. Mathematically infinities cause problems so physicists “hack” a bit off the top to make it finite, something they can work with. But I think the density is in fact infinite, because the block universe is both infinite and eternal and spirit has direct access to any of it, eternally available to create its reality within (its ‘timeline’ or ‘causality chain’), for its next present moment. In other words, every point in spacetime is in fact connected to every other point, or more accurately they are all the same non or zero dimensional point, a singularity sitting conveniently on the end of its spiritual nose. Which is why entangled matter appears to react instantaneously regardless of distance, and why waves in the double slit experiment appear to go backwards in time (even billions of years back), so as to appear as particles, when the scientist decides to find out where they were after the experiment is over. Spooky action at a distance is not spooky if you understand that there really is no distance, we are just ‘imagining’ or creating it within consciousness. BTW, this is also, I believe, why a true medium will tell you that it makes no difference in how far someone is away from them regarding whether they can sense them.

Of course when physicists try to measure the vacuum energy they get a very small number, instead of infinity or something very large. This makes some sense as analogous to what happens when one goes to make a measurement of the quantum wave. The infinity of probabilities represented within the quantum wave function, all those different Schrodinger cats and green birdies, ‘appears to collapse’ into one limited picture of reality. Yet I expect that this collapse only occurs in the perception of the observer (and that which is entangled with it). The quantum wave function and its infinite probabilities remains (has and will for eternity), containing and making available to spirit, all of space and time. Other non entangled observes are free to perceive an entirely different collapse, leading to a different world for them. There are many worlds superimposed within the quantum wave function, probably infinitely many worlds for spirit to choose from. This so called ‘collapse’ is just the perception of spirit as it takes an action (in the wider physics sense of that word) and goes from one present moment into the next.

So in both of these phonomenon, the ‘collapse’ of the wave, and the ‘vacuum catastrophe’, we see IMO, a clue to a boundary or eternally unfolding horizon of sorts between the infinities of energy and probability represented by the non-physical quantum wave function, and the finite energy and one ‘physical’ outcome of the perceived reality constructs within the conscious observer. The infinite myriad of forms are eternally emerging from the other side of that horizon. From the formless boundless world of unmanifested probabilities, into the world of spacetime and matter created by and within consciousness. The fundamental essence of this infinite source is a mystery to all who occupy this side of the boundary, we only see its manifestations, those manifestations spirit desires to see and experience. As soon as we seek to imagine what is on the other side of that horizon, we manifest limited forms within our own consciousness to represent it (e.g. a Quantum Field). The more we manifest, the more we limit its infinite expression and the further from its depth, its mystery, and into its fringes we go. Moving across that horizon that separates the finite formed from the infinite formless.

Spacetime and matter is something consciousness creates within, as a part of its reality, to allow it to go exploring in the matrices of cause and effect. All of space and time, past present and future, all of when and where, exist within a singularity. It is consciousness that stretches it out into the four dimensional illusion, within itself. It then goes about creating and observing the matter and forms within it to explore and observe cause and effect, writing and acting out dramas to represent those subjectivities that it is seeking to understand. Consciousness creates what, when, and where in its search to find out why, its search for meaning, its search to know and understand the essence of God. Physics just concerns itself with the how. Shiva dances Maya into the perception of existence, from nothing, beginning his dance with one apparent 'big bang'. The echo of which reverberates through all of manifested spacetime as the cosmic background radiation, and can be heard in the sound of the sacred Om.

The OP asks why does God not show him or her self? God is eternally present and seen in all things, and in nothing at all. The eternally unfolding finite and limited experience of life, originating from the unlimited infinite mind of God, and explored by the limited mind of spirit, is one way that spirit learns to recognize itself, to recognize and know God, in nothing, in all things, and in everything as one.

The Tao that can be spoken of is not the Constant Tao’
The name that can be named is not a Constant Name.
Nameless, is the origin of Heaven and Earth;
The named is the Mother of all things.
Thus, the constant void enables one to observe the true essence.
The constant being enables one to see the outward manifestations.
These two come paired from the same origin.
But when the essence is manifested,
It has a different name.
This same origin is called “The Profound Mystery.”
As profound the mystery as It can be,
It is the Gate to the essence of all life.

Originally Posted by davidsun

https://www.scribd.com/doc/103765388...a-Construction

Thx.

At one time Seth would have just sounded like a bunch of mystic sounding new-age mumbo jumbo. Now I read this stuff and find myself saying uh huh, uh huh. Ooooh! I wonder what he means by that? I will have to think about that.
A bit like the Tao Te Ching in that way I suppose.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by ketzer

I also do believe as well that spirit can navigate time, looping back and choosing a different path at previously navigated junctions, or even switching (jumping?) to any path throughout the block universe. Whatever ‘present moment spot it lands on’ will have its past and future light cone associated with it to limit its perception of its potential past and future experience. Timelines (or causality lines?) fan out into the past and future bounded by those past and future cones, but all such lines, these rays of light, pass through the origin of that present moment. Yet it may seem to spirit, as it looks back into its past light cone, that it has probably been on one of those linear timelines all along. When spirit looks into the future causality cone it sees many different chains of cause and effect with perceived differing probabilities, which it must navigate to create one future timeline. Of course as soon as it takes its next action, it is on a different present moment within time, with different (even if only slightly) past and future cones, and all those future probabilities are reexamined, as well as the new possible past timelines that intersect with its new present moment. And so it goes, hopping from present moment to present moment though the block universe, navigating its chains of cause and effect and becoming one timeline as it plays its multidimensional game of “connect the dots”, known as “this lifetime”.

This kind of 'teaching' is miss-leading, IMO. Why? Becuase one is then 'tempted' to attempt to use one's psychospsiritual (godly?) power to get 'out' of one's presently Experiential-Reality stream (or cone of probability) and get 'into' one that one image-ins as being 'better'. As in the case of Adam and Eve, this is a vain (as in 'vanity') seduction, however. Why? Because "Wherever you go, there you are!

Ones' present Experiential-Reality bubble (with all if its included peaks and valleys, ups and downs) is just a the manifest reflection (creation?) of one's present soul's psychospiritual constellation.

If and as one just focuses on 'creating' more 'ups' (therefore not focusing on refining (as in re-fine-ing) the 'nature' of one's soul constellation), one will end up 'creating' more (soul-associated) 'downs' as well.

There is an 'art' to this - to more adeptly living Life (which I speak about in my treatise), because all souls are relationally connected. One cannot simply (simple-mindedly) sculpt one's souls into the 'shape' one for-personal-reasons desires, by 'following' "Don't worry, Be Happy" or similar prescriptions, for instance. The same old 'downs' will eventually catch up with whatever 'ups' your soul thereby experiences.

S/He that hath ears that hear, let her/him hear.

Originally Posted by davidsun

This kind of 'teaching' is miss-leading, IMO. Why? Becuase one is then 'tempted' to attempt to use one's psychospsiritual (godly?) power to get 'out' of one's presently Experiential-Reality stream (or cone of probability) and get 'into' one that one image-ins as being 'better'. As in the case of Adam and Eve, this is a vain (as in 'vanity') seduction, however. Why? Because "Wherever you go, there you are!

Ones' present Experiential-Reality bubble (with all if its included peaks and valleys, ups and downs) is just a the manifest reflection (creation?) of one's present soul's psychospiritual constellation.

If and as one just focuses on 'creating' more 'ups' (therefore not focusing on refining (as in re-fine-ing) the 'nature' of one's soul constellation), one will end up 'creating' more (soul-associated) 'downs' as well.

There is an 'art' to this - to more adeptly living Life (which I speak about in my treatise), because all souls are relationally connected. One cannot simply (simple-mindedly) sculpt one's souls into the 'shape' one for-personal-reasons desires, by 'following' "Don't worry, Be Happy" or similar prescriptions, for instance. The same old 'downs' will eventually catch up with whatever 'ups' your soul thereby experiences.

S/He that hath ears that hear, let her/him hear.

Everybody knows someone who keeps switching jobs, houses, or spouses. Each time they decide to move on from whatever they believe is troubling them, they tend to cite the same difficulties for why they do. The more open minded and perceptive ones eventually start to see the pattern and it dawns on them that the common element in all of their difficulties is themselves. Wherever they went to, they were there. Sometimes individuals catch on after a few times, sometimes they may go to their grave cursing the world for never treating them right. But for those who do see the pattern and start to question their role in their difficulties, it is because they were able to honestly look at themselves in each of those different situations. One may keep trying to go somewhere else because they assume the grass is greener, but perhaps that is OK. Sometimes all that traveling around to different places and cultures teaches one as much about themselves as it does about the places they visit.

If one opens a book that has lost it's cover, and on each page there is a different scene, a different location, a different crowd, etc.... but upon closer examination one notices a guy with glasses, and a red and white stripped hat and shirt in every picture, you may start to guess that the book is all about Waldo (or Wally in the queens English). If Waldo asks, "Where is Waldo?" Sooner or later it will dawn on him that the answer is always the same, right here, and there is where he should start looking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where%27s_Wally%3F

p.s. Nice touch on that last line, very Gospely.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by ketzer

p.s. Nice touch on that last line, very Gospely.

From https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/gospel : "The word gospel comes from the Old English god meaning "good" and spel meaning "news, a story."

Here's my 'current' rendition of it:

If one takes all of the various things Jesus said into account, however, the fact that his understanding of the dynamics involved in Life’s larger, often reverse‑motion-eddy accommodating Flow was much more comprehensive and nuanced than most people appreciate becomes apparent: Among other things, his saying: “Behold … Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest. And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: [so] both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth. I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labor: other men labored, and ye are entered into their labors.” (John 4:35-38) indicates he knew that a soul’s maturation process was not only multi-personally determined but multi-generational as well. And his saying “Other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.” (John 10:16) indicates he knew that said evolutionary process, wherein and whereby Love and Joy infused Spirit eventually breaks out of and e·merges from ‘cocoons’ of selfishness and proceeds to blossom and fructify, does so seasonally, and that, though many around him were indeed then and there ‘ripe’ and ‘ready’ to mature in said regards, others who weren’t so at the time would (only) become so, and so resonate with and respond to the ‘call’ of Cosmic (a/k/a Christ) Consciousness, in the context of a future soul-ascension ‘wave’ scenario.

Those of us who are 'in the know' in this regard have much cause to celebrate because, for many, the ‘future’ that he referenced is happening now. And we may celebrate without reservation even though an even greater number clearly aren’t presently willing or able to partake of the ‘event’, because we know that there will be additional seasonal harvests and thanksgivings in the same regard in future futures, wherein and whereby souls that have not yet evolved to the point where they are whole‑mind-n-heart-edly desirous of and so choose to completely commit themselves to being self-transcendentally aligned with Life Itself will then also have the opportunity to likewise holistically mature.

See you on the 'other side' soon, ketz!

[jerrygg38]

Originally Posted by Busby

Just imagine how the world would change if God would speak quite clearly to all of the 8 billion Earth inhabitants at the same time and say something like this: On the 2nd of May this year the sun will appear in the sky as always but it will be green. It will stay green for one complete turn of the planet so that everyone can see it and so know, following my words to you all, that I am.

This would be no skin off God's nose and would allow us to get on with things. And as we also know changing the colour of the sun for a day would be easy, requiring only a miracle, of which there are many in the Bible, so having a decisive miracle 2000 years later could only be positive.

This would solve quite a number of obvious problems and we wouldn't be requested 'to believe', something which has caused and still causes friction and has no point anyway. Instead of believing (in whatever) we'd KNOW.

Then we could live our lives accordingly without fighting among ourselves as to who is right. Let's get rid of all 'beliefs', all superstitions, all religious traditions, all church buildings, all professional preachers, all funny clothes, hats, bishops and popes and their ilk - in fact let's rid ourselves of the whole pot and be able to look God directly in the eye.

Why should he/she/it want it to be otherwise.?????

Spiritual 4.18.2020 6pm
Jerrygg replies: You wonder why God does not show his face and his power? You are led to believe that God is an almighty entity that created the universe. That could never be true because the universe is a perpetual oscillating ball of energy. It took no God to create it and no God could change any cosmic event within it. In fact the universe created God.
You look at the mythological Bible and Gospels and see great miracles. You have a belief in a magical God. We have a natural God. It is part of the Darwinian process. At the time of the dinosaurs it was an animal God. Slowly over time the highest part of God evolved to be the human God.
Why does the human portion of the Earth God only speak to the few? He has neither rewards nor punishments to offer. The best that can happen to the spirit of a man is absorption by God. We are free to believe or disbelieve. We are free to be absorbed or erased. Some of us will achieve the New Earth of future man.
God needs man for astronomical data to find the new Earth of the future. Then God can beam out to that planet and establish higher man out of the spirits of lower man.

[BigJohn]

Ask a Christian "Why does not God show his face?" and you might see a person look back and say "Look around: Is that not proof enough!"

Some say everything came into existence by "Cause and Effect". What was the Cause that created what we claim was the Big Bang. No answer.

Many people have disproved what is in the Bible but how many of them sill cling to the belief of Atlantis? How many people still claim they were the one who misused the crystals.........

[Busby]

Originally Posted by jerrygg38

Spiritual 4.18.2020 6pm
Jerrygg replies: You wonder why God does not show his face and his power? You are led to believe that God is an almighty entity that created the universe. That could never be true because the universe is a perpetual oscillating ball of energy. It took no God to create it and no God could change any cosmic event within it. In fact the universe created God.
You look at the mythological Bible and Gospels and see great miracles. You have a belief in a magical God. We have a natural God. It is part of the Darwinian process. At the time of the dinosaurs it was an animal God. Slowly over time the highest part of God evolved to be the human God.
Why does the human portion of the Earth God only speak to the few? He has neither rewards nor punishments to offer. The best that can happen to the spirit of a man is absorption by God. We are free to believe or disbelieve. We are free to be absorbed or erased. Some of us will achieve the New Earth of future man.
God needs man for astronomical data to find the new Earth of the future. Then God can beam out to that planet and establish higher man out of the spirits of lower man.

When you use the word 'you' I hope you don't refer to me.

And, if you read my original post I said nothing about a face.

As I later explained I was simply basing my suggestion/question/idea on the happenings at Fatima.

[Busby]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

Ask a Christian "Why does not God show his face?" and you might see a person look back and say "Look around: Is that not proof enough!"

Some say everything came into existence by "Cause and Effect". What was the Cause that created what we claim was the Big Bang. No answer.

Many people have disproved what is in the Bible but how many of them sill cling to the belief of Atlantis? How many people still claim they were the one who misused the crystals.........

Read my OP again BigJohn - I didn't say anything about God showing his face.

If it would be so easy just to 'look around' and find the proof there life would be much simpler. Anyway that stuff you want us to look at as proof could have been created by a Chinese Dragon.

As for the cause and effect statement, well, obviously there would have to be an explanation as to where any god came from. Silly of you to propose such a question.

I doubt if Plato, (I think it was him) sitting on his boulder in Greece can't really have known anything about any Atlantis, especially not one sitting in the middle of the Atlantic ocean. An Atlantis which by the way hasn't risen out of the sea in 2000 as predicted by Cayce.