Birth?

Starman · #1 16-12-2019, 05:51 AM

Do you think babies are born into this world a blank slate or do we come here with a predisposition?
By predisposition I mean we already have a character, attitude, and way of doing things the day we are born.

It might be argued that we inherit traits from our parents in the womb, that as much as we do not
want to be like our parents we end up being like them, if not completely than partly, anyway.

Of course the other perspective is that we are born with a certain karma carried over into this life and
we are not a blank slate when we enter the womb. Although I think a lot of people treat babies as though
they are a blank slate.

I guess I am talking about programming, are we preprogrammed before we enter the womb, programmed
in the womb, or enter this world as a blank slate? There are possibly other scenarios as well.. Yes, I
understand that some of this is speculation and some of it may be based on science, DNA, etc.

What do you think?

Unseeking Seeker · #2 16-12-2019, 07:27 AM

***

Five sheaths of consciousness ... yes, I’d say that we carry forward tendencies or samskaras.

Only at or beyond (?) the bliss level are we truly non dual

***

BigJohn · #3 16-12-2019, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starman

Do you think babies are born into this world a blank slate or do we come here with a predisposition?
By predisposition I mean we already have a character, attitude, and way of doing things the day we are born.

It might be argued that we inherit traits from our parents in the womb, that as much as we do not
want to be like our parents we end up being like them, if not completely than partly, anyway.

Of course the other perspective is that we are born with a certain karma carried over into this life and
we are not a blank slate when we enter the womb. Although I think a lot of people treat babies as though
they are a blank slate.

I guess I am talking about programming, are we preprogrammed before we enter the womb, programmed
in the womb, or enter this world as a blank slate? There are possibly other scenarios as well.. Yes, I
understand that some of this is speculation and some of it may be based on science, DNA, etc.

What do you think?

GREAT QUESTIONS!

Each scenario is credible.

Starman · #4 16-12-2019, 09:51 AM

We talk so much about death here on this forum but not much about birth. So why would a soul enter a
womb where the mother has already decided that she was going to have and abortion if she got pregnant?
That is if we choose our parents, why choose a parent who has decided to abort early in her first trimester,
and for that matter why do you think you chose the family you were born into?

Unseeking Seeker · #5 16-12-2019, 10:27 AM

***

@ Starman ... debatable but perhaps we need to spherically experience the same suffering we previously inflicted as a learning and karmic rebound.

***

#6 16-12-2019, 10:31 AM

"Choosing " are mother before we are born is just a middle eastern concept. You never existed before your mother got pregnant with you (this is why sex is a magical and powerful thing) now you do have a ancestral blood link and because of that you have instincts and can create habits that your grandparents or great great grandparents had/Tech
Example being my brother when hes really thinking hard to figure something out he had this fidget thing he would do and are mother saw him do it one day (he was about 25yr old at that time) and she said "omg your father used to do that !" (We never knew are father he left before I was born yet both of us have his personality a little bit.

Also I've always had an extremely good grip on awareness all my life I can remember all the way back to my birth and believe it or not before I was born (in the womb) and I have confermed this with several family members when I would tell them things that happened when I was a baby (like 6 months up to 2ys old /Tech)
And I say that to say this
The younger you are and the less you experience is directly correlated to your thoughts. When I was in the womb that 1 time I woke up I had no "word thoughts " so in a since baby's learn so fast because there mind is so still and calm and no chatter.

#7 16-12-2019, 10:42 AM

I remember mt birth and just before.To cut a long story short,the first thing that I thought of was looking for money and had visions of knocking buildings down looking for it.(Hence the swinging of arms and everything),They wrapped me tightly in a towel and I thought to myself,I'll be alright if i have money.Before they wrapped me in a towel,I felt that my consciousness had been squeezed into my body and i hoped that no one would hit me.Lol.They were my first thoughts.It was not a dream.

Busby · #8 16-12-2019, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starman

We talk so much about death here on this forum but not much about birth. So why would a soul enter a
womb where the mother has already decided that she was going to have and abortion if she got pregnant?
That is if we choose our parents, why choose a parent who has decided to abort early in her first trimester,
and for that matter why do you think you chose the family you were born into?

You obviously didn't include all of the other horrible possibilities a new-born faces when entering this world.
Np doubt there are many people who can or want to answer your question based on what they believe and who are willing to accept, for instance, that if you are born disabled, blind or without arms that this is to be seen as a chance… There are plenty of places, religions, cultures and so on where most of us would not wish to join. There are plenty of people who will tell you that they wish they had not been born. We all have to get on with a good or bad job in life, any talk of us being born equal is just a trick to get us round the next obstacle.
In my case I can say that I don't know where 'I' was before appearing on the world's stage - presumably I will go back to the same state when I die - as will the 150,000 people who die each day on our planet.
Nevertheless and however there are and have been certain moments when it seems pretty clear that not having that condition which we call 'being conscious' cannot be posed as a reality. Excuse the paradox - but life is a total mystery. Some of us, myself included, seem to have noticed a sort of thread, one which could be translated as a sort of story with a beginning, a middle and an end, all chapters related to a series of happenings woven into a pattern.
What amazes me again and again is just how easily we accept life. The universe has, notwithstanding what we call the big bang, been around either forever or at least for a few trillion years. Yet here we are, chewing gum and playing football as if we have always been here. Once again - it's astounding how we accept this condition - almost as if we know what it's all about.

What also amazes me is how we/I simply allow ourselves to fall asleep each night, basically dissolving into nothingness before awakening in the mornings and just getting on with things. Could sleep not be a sort of sign or indication that as above so below? Hardly a sensible assumption but there are many other things that have been accepted as pointers to other planes or dimensions. We probably would accept it as normal if the Pope suddenly appeared with a halo.

My problem with the whole - as I have stated elsewhere - is why am I a Human Being and not an Elephant. What 'force' in that previous nothingness pulled the lever to direct this little mass of (apparently) wanting-to-be-born energy into the womb of an existing female human?

That for me is the big question.

#9 16-12-2019, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starman

Do you think babies are born into this world a blank slate or do we come here with a predisposition?
By predisposition I mean we already have a character, attitude, and way of doing things the day we are born.

All we do know is that some DNA can't be traced (yet) to physical traits. The early researchers would risibly call it "junk DNA" but it's since been found to be a little more than that. It could be we come with some components that turn out to be character traits. In which case they could reach further back than our parents. It has yet to be determined.

Quote:

It might be argued that we inherit traits from our parents in the womb, that as much as we do not want to be like our parents we end up being like them, if not completely than partly, anyway.

An interesting point because I seemed to have inherited no character traits from my birth parents. Of course that could be because social conditioning of their times forced them down a route that couldn't be called their natural path. It does play a big part in development. I was a rebel, realising at around the age 6 or 7 that I wasn't going along with their agenda for me. Very much a loner (for circumstances that needn't be dwelt on here) I now look on the advantage it gave teaching me to stand on my own feet quite early.

Quote:

Of course the other perspective is that we are born with a certain karma carried over into this life and we are not a blank slate when we enter the womb. Although I think a lot of people treat babies as though
they are a blank slate.

Ahhh... the spiritual mumbo-jumbo. Possible and I do believe I entered material earth from the spirit world and will return to it.

Quote:

I guess I am talking about programming, are we preprogrammed before we enter the womb, programmed
in the womb, or enter this world as a blank slate? There are possibly other scenarios as well.. Yes, I understand that some of this is speculation and some of it may be based on science, DNA, etc.

What do you think?

Well, I sometimes think that early learning is about a baby experimenting with what's to be done to meet its needs.
.

freebird · #10 16-12-2019, 05:32 PM

Hello, interesting thread.

Some would say that after death will be like before being born, and most people because they can't remember being aware before being born, they assume death is the end, as they will return unconscious as they were pre-birth.

Even if someone claims they remember before being born, such as past lives, people will mock saying it's delusion, hallucination, or just fairy tales to get media attention and money.

What do you think of that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starman

Do you think babies are born into this world a blank slate or do we come here with a predisposition?
By predisposition I mean we already have a character, attitude, and way of doing things the day we are born.

It might be argued that we inherit traits from our parents in the womb, that as much as we do not
want to be like our parents we end up being like them, if not completely than partly, anyway.

Of course the other perspective is that we are born with a certain karma carried over into this life and
we are not a blank slate when we enter the womb. Although I think a lot of people treat babies as though
they are a blank slate.

I guess I am talking about programming, are we preprogrammed before we enter the womb, programmed
in the womb, or enter this world as a blank slate? There are possibly other scenarios as well.. Yes, I
understand that some of this is speculation and some of it may be based on science, DNA, etc.

What do you think?