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Old 05-04-2012, 12:24 PM
spiritualized
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We are not supposed to live like this.

Then if 'We' don't change as a species; especially in relation to dependence on fossil fuels; & especially in regards to Peak Oil; & all the other issues that we face - increasing pollution, resource depletion, systemic eco-system collapse, massive environmental changes, culminating in sicker & sicker societies & a very sick Civilisation - then inevitably & inexorably (however long it takes); it's a matter of when (not if), we conclude with mass die off's, & Civilisation Collapse, & possibly we survive as a species; or possibly we don't? That really is the upshot/Reality of all 'this'.

'Science' & Technology will save Us? Yea OK.
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:28 PM
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George Carlin - I Gave Up On My Species -


http://youtu.be/ls8RXqyZDsk

http://youtu.be/vI9c68i6QSg

The Psychosis of Civilization -


http://youtu.be/d5iBOXcoP_8
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:40 PM
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What a Way to Go -

http://youtu.be/k8X8_wUoiq0
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Old 05-04-2012, 01:08 PM
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Then if 'We' don't change as a species; especially in relation to dependence on fossil fuels; & especially in regards to Peak Oil; & all the other issues that we face - increasing pollution, resource depletion, systemic eco-system collapse, massive environmental changes, culminating in sicker & sicker societies & a very sick Civilisation - then inevitably & inexorably (however long it takes); it's a matter of when (not if), we conclude with mass die off's, & Civilisation Collapse, & possibly we survive as a species; or possibly we don't? That really is the upshot/Reality of all 'this'.

'Science' & Technology will save Us? Yea OK.

Science and Technology can't save us from this mess on their own. They can help, if they are used in the right way, but you are absolutely right that we have to change as a species. We have to change the way we see ourselves and how we relate to the rest of the Earth's ecosystem.

If you haven't see this then you might like it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdsZ_lLz07Q
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Old 05-04-2012, 01:14 PM
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Anyone would think from reading the above that the purpose of the HGP was primarily medical, especially for the purpose of making money for the drug industry.

Actually it was sold (internally) and financed almost souly for that purpose... it was promised to be a big money venture for big pharma...
there is a lot of info that emerged but this info was seen as "intellectually relevant", but uninspiring in relation to the moneyed concerns..

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Some of our illnesses are genetic, some aren't. That's not the fault of the HGP.

Only about 3% of illnesses are demonstratively genetic... these are the ones where individuals are deemed handicapped at birth. The rest are
environmental and emotionally authored. The food-like stuffs that we are currently ingesting as a species (my wife and I aren't, we totally rebooted
our diet) is one of the more potent drivers behind illness. The toxins tend to inhibit a lot of the communications that are going on between cells... the
lack of nutrients are not providing the body with the energy it needs to do its thing... the body is designed around detoxifying naturally occurring
toxins but the garbage we've been ingesting is overwhelming this process.. our bodies are continually in emergency mode....

And then there is thought....roughly 95% of all thought is unconscious, and roughly 70% of that would be deemed negative. This level of
destructive meditation has a chronic toll that's easily observable in the energy signature of most individuals... which in turn takes it's toll on
the body.

The "Placebo" effect may actually describe an inner process that has long been the "only" significant way people have had to heal what ails them...
much of what makes us sick is self-induced... toxins/processed-foods/concentrated sweeteners/grains these mixed with a very poor daily
meditation cycle and illness is guaranteed...

We don't need a genome project to fix this... going at it from this angle only addresses symptoms... pretty-much all of medical attempts have
focused on symptoms exclusively... but the symptoms are only lagging indicators of what's actually occurring... move this whole monster back a
few steps and address the original generator of these issues...

Nutrition-deficit/toxin-exposure...and...Negative-Unconscious-Meditations

...do so effectively and things individually snap back into a natural rhythm... the gene discussion, in regards to this needed outcome, is irrelevant...
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Old 05-04-2012, 01:20 PM
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George Carlin - I Gave Up On My Species -


http://youtu.be/ls8RXqyZDsk

http://youtu.be/vI9c68i6QSg

The Psychosis of Civilization -


http://youtu.be/d5iBOXcoP_8

All excellent stuff. There is more and more of this sort of material appearing on the internet all the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMgOTQ7D_lk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOMWzjrRiBg
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Old 05-04-2012, 01:38 PM
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There are some positive aspects to what is happening at the moment.

Firstly, the major economic collapse has come before the major social and ecological collapses. All over the world, all sorts of people are finding out how The System really works - why we are slaves to the banks and megacorporations...and all the rest of it. The powers that be are having increasing difficulty in hiding the truth about these things.

Secondly, the internet exists. Throughout the whole of human history up until this point, whoever held political/military power also ended up controlling the flow of information. No longer. They would dearly like to curtail the liberational functions of the internet, but they can't, because the internet is just a bunch of computers connected together and TPTB need it to stay that way (it has become part of The System.)

These two things together provide an opportunity for change that would not otherwise exist. And some sort of change IS coming, because the monetary system is broken.
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Old 05-04-2012, 05:42 PM
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There are some positive aspects to what is happening at the moment.

Watched the 2 films; thanks for the Links - There is slightly more awareness - But all this 'stuff' was known over sixty to a hundred years ago - longer by some. It's all a bit late in the day in many regards now isn't it?

Of course there are positives. Personally I think that 'we're' in for Heaven & Hell.
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Old 05-04-2012, 06:31 PM
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Watched the 2 films; thanks for the Links - There is slightly more awareness - But all this 'stuff' was known over sixty to a hundred years ago - longer by some. It's all a bit late in the day in many regards now isn't it?

Yes, but late is better than never.

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Of course there are positives. Personally I think that 'we're' in for Heaven & Hell.

Not a bad description.
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Old 06-04-2012, 09:25 AM
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'Science' & Technology will save Us? Yea OK.
It already accomplished far more than religion/spirituality can ever hope to achieve.
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