Stillborn

[knightofalbion]

'We are told by many highly evolved beings on the Other Side that at the moment of human conception the individual spirit identifies itself with the physical organism through which it will express itself during earthly life.

The etheric body develops in unison with the now individualised growing physical form.

The process of synchronised development continues throughout the pre-natal period, and after normal birth.

The spark of life, once ignited, can never be extinguished.
Many people do not realise the tremendous implications of this fact.

Not only do children whose span of physical life measures a few hours, days, months or years survive 'death' but also those who never drew earthly breath at all.

Physical birth is not the beginning of life but a natural continuation of the process which began months earlier.

Pre-natal dissolution of the earthly form, at whatever stage of under-development it occured, does not impair or impede the continued growth of the individualised spirit body which became identified with its earthly vehicle at conception.

Thus,when the process of normal birth is prevented from taking place, either through accident or design, the etheric body continues to grow and develop on the Other Side as it would have done if the earthly counterpart had not perished'

- Sylvia Barbanell (From 'When A Child Dies')

I think i have to disagree with part of what you said....my understanding is that spirit does "not" become/or enter into the fetus until the fetus's mental wiring is able to accept it which is often not until the 4th month, or it can be anytime that the spirit wants to do so.......and even then they come and go......we are eternal beings temporily in a physical body and our growth work takes place on either side......

[knightofalbion]

Originally Posted by Juanita

...my understanding is that spirit does "not" become/or enter into the fetus until the fetus's mental wiring is able to accept it which is often not until the 4th month, or it can be anytime that the spirit wants to do so.......and even then they come and go......

And who told you that?

How can a spirit "come and go"???

Originally Posted by knightofalbion

And who told you that?

How can a spirit "come and go"???

very easily, just like we OBE during sleep and sometimes during deep meditation......I don't need anyone to "tell" me anything as I am pretty good at figuring things out for myself, altho I have read this a time or two......

[knightofalbion]

Originally Posted by Juanita

my understanding is that spirit does "not" become/or enter into the fetus until the fetus's mental wiring is able to accept it which is often not until the 4th month, or it can be anytime that the spirit wants to do so.......and even then they come and go......

That is not what the spirit teachers say.

Furthermore, there have been numerous NDEs where the person has met on the other side a brother or sister that was a stillborn. Often they didn't even know about it, until their parents later confirmed it.

The spirit attaches itself at the moment of conception, hence stillborn children survive 'death' and have a life in the after-life the same as children that did achieve physical birthing.

[alamode]

Originally Posted by knightofalbion

The spirit attaches itself at the moment of conception

Michael Newton's books say otherwise. Souls typically like to enter the fetus body at around 5 months gestation but can enter when ever they choose to. It wouldn't make sense if a soul had to automatically enter at the moment of conception. Souls have a lot of preparation to do beforehand and will enter when ready.

[knightofalbion]

Originally Posted by alamode

Michael Newton's books say otherwise. Souls typically like to enter the fetus body at around 5 months gestation but can enter when ever they choose to. It wouldn't make sense if a soul had to automatically enter at the moment of conception. Souls have a lot of preparation to do beforehand and will enter when ready.

A wishy washy mistruth that would have a crushing impact on those who have lost a child through stillbirth.

Michael Newton is a hypnotist.

As I said, there have been many cases of a person, usually a child, undergoing a NDE and meeting a 'stillborn' brother or sister they didn't know they had. The parents, to their amazement, later confirm that they did indeed have a stillborn child in the years before.
If the spirit did not attach itself at the moment of conception this would not occur, but it does.

Silver Birch was emphatic on this point:

"From the moment of conception the spirit has incarnated into the mother's womb"

and again

"From the moment of conception, there is the beginning of an individual, who will never die and continue to grow in my world."

[alamode]

Originally Posted by knightofalbion

As I said, there have been many cases of a person, usually a child, undergoing a NDE and meeting a 'stillborn' brother or sister they didn't know they had. The parents, to their amazement, later confirm that they did indeed have a stillborn child in the years before.

I don't doubt that at all. Stillborn is normally an older fetus, close to full-term, right? Normally a soul would have occupied it already, I agree. Souls can choose to enter just to have the experience. A soul doesn't necessarily need to enter a fetus though, especially early on during the first few months of pregnancy its not as common for souls to enter. Like during the first trimester when miscarriages and abortions mostly happen, normally a soul wouldn't have entered yet anyway and if a soul did enter, it knew what would happen and just entered for the experience.

Originally Posted by knightofalbion

A wishy washy mistruth that would have a crushing impact on those who have lost a child through stillbirth.

Michael Newton is a hypnotist.

As I said, there have been many cases of a person, usually a child, undergoing a NDE and meeting a 'stillborn' brother or sister they didn't know they had. The parents, to their amazement, later confirm that they did indeed have a stillborn child in the years before.
If the spirit did not attach itself at the moment of conception this would not occur, but it does.

Silver Birch was emphatic on this point:

"From the moment of conception the spirit has incarnated into the mother's womb"

and again

"From the moment of conception, there is the beginning of an individual, who will never die and continue to grow in my world."

as someone just said, a stillborn child is usually near or full term, so that has nothing to do with it......spirit can "guide' but they are certainly not infallible and can only speak from their own level, experience and understanding....so, silver birch is not infallible........ Just like we can OBE during sleep, so can spirit come and go from the fetus......some may find it a bit boring in fact.....

Originally Posted by knightofalbion

That is not what the spirit teachers say.

Furthermore, there have been numerous NDEs where the person has met on the other side a brother or sister that was a stillborn. Often they didn't even know about it, until their parents later confirmed it.

The spirit attaches itself at the moment of conception, hence stillborn children survive 'death' and have a life in the after-life the same as children that did achieve physical birthing.

first of all, may I point out that we "are" spiritual beings temporarily in a physical body and are in the afterlife both before and after birth/death, and a spirit always "knows" when it will be aborted or miscarried......,,, if a child is stillborn, it does not mean that spirit never merged with it as that is not what I said......I don't believe and have never seen or heard of it being confirmed in any way that spirit merges with the fetus at conception......