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Hey again Karen!!
I like your description/interpretation of Jesus/God. I must say, it sounds a lot like my understanding of who/what we are (soul). Are/were we not FIRST spirit (existing in the spiritual) and THEN born into this physical/material plane (life)? Thus, with guidance, are we capable of realizing our own potential to communicating with God, being completely obedient to God, and walking physically in the spirit!? I am curious as to your understanding of the possibilities of us (soul).
I am not here to encourage you toward any end. Nor am I a medium/channeler. I would like to point out though, that Jesus was a medium (of sorts) and, of course, a healer, or at least it seems. Now as a mortal man (soul manifest), he was no magician. As mortals (soul manifest) ourselves, are we capable of achieving the same miracles? And should we be encouraged/discouraged to do so?
What would be considered a false religion, by Jesus/God? And finally what is the purpose, if any, of assuming God is of male “persuasion”? Thanks again, this is quite interesting!!

Thanks for reading,
Blair2be

Hey Karen,

I was a devout catholic until the age of 18, went to church every week. I still love the central teachings of Jesus and take a lot from them but I would question whether if he were alive today he would think the Catholic church was representative of his views. Thats not to say its not done some good and its definately played it's role but it's such a dogmatic and hypocritical faith when you remember the one new commandment that jesus left. IMO. Love jesus and god - not sure about the church or religion.

Also its interesting to note that when jesus drove out an evil spirit one time his followers wondered if he may be in league with the devil. Maybe Jesus resolved the disparity between "light and dark" within himself in order to be one with God? After all if god is everything then is satan not part of God with a role to play? Didn't god hand job over to satan to be tested, why would God do that if satan had no role to play?

What do you think?

Hey there,
Blair2be ...you would be correct in saying that the spiritual creatures existed first and you would also be right in saying some of these spiritual creatures/angels materialised into physical bodies. Before the flood in Noahs day for example.

Genesis 6:1-2 1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

Spirit creatures have the same free will that God has given men...to follow him or not. This is how we end up with the rebellious Satan and his demons. Angels appear to have each a unique personality and are also responsable for carrying out specific purposes for God. They can communicate with each other, they have great strength, can understand the many languages of the earth with a greater mental capacity than humans.

1 Corinthians 13:1 1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

Psalm 8:5 5 You made him a little lower than the heavenly beings [a]
and crowned him with glory and honor.

Hebrews 13:2 2Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some people have entertained angels without knowing it.

Daniel 8:15-19 15 While I, Daniel, was watching the vision and trying to understand it, there before me stood one who looked like a man. 16 And I heard a man's voice from the Ulai calling, "Gabriel, tell this man the meaning of the vision." 17 As he came near the place where I was standing, I was terrified and fell prostrate. "Son of man," he said to me, "understand that the vision concerns the time of the end."
18 While he was speaking to me, I was in a deep sleep, with my face to the ground. Then he touched me and raised me to my feet.
19 He said: "I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end.

John 20:12 2and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus' body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot.

Genesis 19:11-13 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.12 The two men said to Lot, "Do you have anyone else here

Hey dreamer,
Unfortunately Satan challenged Jehovah saying that man would only love him for the good things and will not be faithful when times are tough. Job was a wealthy man and was loved by God. Satan was given the power to inflict suffering on Job to see that he may turn away from God and curse him. But Job held to his integrity and stayed righteous before God. God knows all hearts and never allows us to suffer more than we can bear although to us at the time it may seem unbearable. It must have been hard for God to be putting up with a rebellious son such as satan. I know myself it breaks my heart when my children dont listen to me but i also know that through suffering and mistakes many lessons are learned. This is the test isnt it to stay faithful or rebel it is never Gods choice but the individuals alone. So satan was right in a way.... many spirit creatures and men have chosen to rebel but Gods sovereignty remains in tact because there was and still is the many that have remained faithful and have put there faith in God through Jesus.

Hi Karen,
I am stuck on something you said or I think you said; we are physical first and then through human life we develop our spirit? If this is so, then what of Soul? Does our physicality or Soul define us? I believe us to BE Soul given a temporary physical body, not the other way around. Soul is eternal, no? With that, what is the purpose of this physical life? To learn, to self realize, to go through tests, to develop growth of soul; for the purpose of walking “in the grace of God” (or however one wants to term it)? I find it quite limiting to walk a path where “our” Soul is not who we are; that physical life defines us and we are somehow “separate” from Soul, in that,… Soul is earned? I’m a bit confused about this philosophy. Because the spirituality of many is not “good”, that doesn’t say to me that those people are not Soul; are not Soul born into a temporary vehicle. Do we have no connection to God? One last question; I have never fully understood this, and I would very much like to, as it is, it seems, the basis of Christianity: how did Jesus die for our sins? How does that process work? Please explain it to me like I’m ten years old, because I have been given explanations throughout life (being raised in a Baptist family) but I have never really understood what that means.

Oh, and a science question just came to mind. I don’t know if the bible refers to this, so what do you think? These angles that wed mortals, what of there children?! There are many fantastic theories and beliefs out there, but what do you think, personally?

Hey blair, if you see us all as one, i.e. different thought strings in one mind, then imagine a totally ignorant mind, the thought of Jesus when first thought and pushed seems too uncomfortable like a teenage psychosis and so it is jumped on "killed" and surpressed. The memory of the psychosis remains however like an uncomfortable scar that in fact causes an ultimate healing at a later point that would never have been possible unless the scar had existed. Have you ever noticed that people who have had psychosis and face up to themselves become truly amazing and worldly wise people at a later point which could not have happened without the suffering in between? This is how Jesus dies for our sins and we are just about to reap the benifits of his self sacrifice, imagine how the world would be without the story of jesus right now.

So many questions i sincerely welcome them all and can only hope that i am doing Jehovah justice in answering them....

Healing....The gift of healing was definately prominent in the ministry of Christ.
Jehovah gave Jesus the authority to heal and Jesus in turn gave his apostles/disciples the authority also.
Matthew 10:1 1He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out evil[a] spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.
Matthew 28:18 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

After Jesus had ascended to heaven his followers who were bestowed this gift continued to heal.
Acts 5:12-16 12The apostles performed many miraculous signs and wonders among the people. And all the believers used to meet together in Solomon's Colonnade. 13No one else dared join them, even though they were highly regarded by the people. 14Nevertheless, more and more men and women believed in the Lord and were added to their number. 15As a result, people brought the sick into the streets and laid them on beds and mats so that at least Peter's shadow might fall on some of them as he passed by. 16Crowds gathered also from the towns around Jerusalem, bringing their sick and those tormented by evil[a] spirits, and all of them were healed.

There is nothing to say that those who recognise this gift today could not be performing such miracles but it takes great faith.
I think conditionally though this authority would have to be given to those that follow the ways of Christ. I think we should be encouraging each other to first seek a relationship with God and then nurture the gift we may recognise god has given us.
1 Corinthians 12:4-11
4There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.
7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.

1 Corinthians 12:27,28 27Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.



1 Corinthians 14:1 1Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy.



Do you know someone with this gift ? would love to hear about it ?

Originally Posted by dreamer

...imagine how the world would be without the story of jesus right now.

Dreamer, you have made a very good point here. I try to read all these ideas with a open mind and sense of fairness within the context of who I am. I think I know what you meant and the spirit you wrote it in, and this is not intended to be a criticizm but a cautionary note.

I want to remind everyone to be cautious of making comments which trap us in one of superiority, that mine is better. I would caution everyone not to fall back in your comfort zone of familiarity. Christianity (and Jesus) is our heritage and legacy. It is not truly original.

I remind us all faith, both as belief and religion, are natural products of people and have been part of every civilization and time. It certainly has evloved conceptually. Now I certainly hope no one is saying Christianity is the best religion with comments as specific as that limit preception.

I think it important to remember we maintain a frame of reference and to remind ourselves, if you were born in the US, or Europe, you

Hey Dreamer,
It took me a minute to “catch on” to what you were saying, but I think I got it now. That is an interpretation that I can understand (and a new one I’ve never heard). Thanks!

Hello again Karen,
(smiles) There are many hear at spiritualforums that will tell you they can indeed heal (though I personally have never experienced this)! The scriptures you have posted in this last post are the one’s I was hoping for. These scriptures now show that the division, many perceive, between Christianity (and other religions) and the non-religious (yet spiritual) are in fact misperceived, as those divisions are self-imposed. The one spirit IS the ONE spirit, never mind the many names/titles labeling this “spirit”. We call it God. Your God is also my God. And god is the energy/spirit that works “through” all of us; from which we came. They also show what I know to be true, that, as Jesus was man (of God) and “worked” the “mojo” of God, we too are of God and can work that same energy (according to what is needed for Soul).

Hey Lemmex,
According to some of the scriptures posted here, even the bible shows us that the same spirit “works through” us all. I believe that the bible does not state that a division should exist due to cultural labels of God/Energy/Spirit. As these are simply labels. Can a Wiccan be a Christian? Well to answer this, further reinforces the labels given. See, the religions seem to require certain practices, though sometimes different these practices work towards the same end; to “connect” with God; or to realize, become aware, praise, worship. These ends are not all that different, what IS different is the way people go about this; the practices (the path). One path is no better or worse than any other. The path suits the user. When one is ready for “another” path, another path will be taken. So, we have labels and practices. And somehow we create division from these. That is the resounding failing, the trap, by the “devil” or whatever you term that balancing energy; to divide ourselves needlessly, thus limiting the sharing/learning from one another. This failing is not assigned to any one “group”, it seems to be quite universal among man. I can read many of these biblical scriptures and recognize that these are the same ideals/principals that I follow in my path (my path has no label other than “PATH”).

The essence of Christs words is forgiveness and love. To not only love those that have a belief in common but to love those that stand against it.

1 Corinthians 13:4-8
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails.

Love to be understood in the world today, sadly, could almost be described as the opposite to how it was intended.
Lemmex your caution is noted. I feel compelled to share my belief with who ever will listen and if it were to confront or help anyone to question their own belief then this can only be beneficial.

Back to those questions .....

Why is God described as being male ?
Not to be meant in a human sense but maybe more so towards the dominant angelic sense. He portays himself as the head of the house hold, the Father of everyone. Interestingly though the scriptures says in...

Genesis 1:27 27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

Does this mean in the spiritual world there are 2 genders of angels or does it mean men and woman together portray all of Gods qualities?
Endless questions hmmmm....

Here is another word familiar to most people ...Soul ...
The soul to me appears to be your unique individual self. Your life finger print that activates the body. As long as God has a record of your soul, considering he has created you, then he can REcreate you too. When the body dies your soul is kept safe and sound in Gods memory. Gods own spirit is what then activates the soul. Throughout our life we are to nurture and grow from the foundation of our soul that we have inherited from our parents in our genetics. We also appear to have inherited a sinful nature and the ability to make our own choices. The soul can apparently also die. It is not immortal.

Ezekiel 18:4 4 For every living soul belongs to me, the father as well as the son