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Old 24-03-2012, 04:01 PM
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Any volves or seidmen here?

The title refers to the norse performers of psychic activities. Being a Norwegian I should know about this but I don't. Can anyone fill me in a little? I have already googled it myself, hint hint.
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Old 24-03-2012, 04:13 PM
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I don't really practice it (yet lol). But I do read a lot about it. What do you want to know?
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Old 24-03-2012, 04:18 PM
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Everything. Haha.

What were the tools, what were the ceremonies, and how do they compare with what we are doing in our time?
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Old 24-03-2012, 04:59 PM
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Everything. Haha.

What were the tools, what were the ceremonies, and how do they compare with what we are doing in our time?
Alright, well we have very scant records of seidr. As such, we don't know exactly what the seiðkona (seid-woman) and seiðmaðr (seid-man) of the Viking Age did when they worked it. Besides the fact that it usually involved sitting under a cloak, upon a roof, platform or seashore (all liminal places).

One of the most prominent features of seidr is that it's generally seen as a baleful type of magic (in contrast to the spácraft of the volva), most of the usage of it in Icelandic literature is that of deceit or harm, like causing landslides, illness, nightmares, or insanity. Understandably, it was seen with a lot of suspicion - especially due to the fact that most of the people connected with it were foreigners, like Lapplanders and Finns, which is interesting, since they were both shamanic cultures, and magic was seen as being their forte. Another reason that seidr itself was seen with dislike was the fact that many men who performed it were considered argr, which is a complex term that's closely associated with sexual perversion and weakness. Which has led to theories about seidr rites involving men being penetrated, or acting out other sexual practices. But, it doesn't have a ton of evidence to support that theory. Even so, seidr was closely associated with unmanliness; possibly because it allowed a person who defeat their enemies without open confrontation, which was considered dishonorable in Old Norse culture.

Nowadays there's a few people and groups who are working to reconstruct practices of seidr in modern context. One of the most prominent groups here in the USA is one created by Diana Paxson, whose group performs something they call oracular seidr - which is less historical seidr and more like spácraft built upon some large shamanistic elements. Spácraft itself is a form of soothsaying used to peer into the Ørlǫg of a group and thus see what the future may hold.

Another person who practices modern day seidr is Bil Linzie, who uses Saami shamanism to fill in some gaps in his own practice.


This is a marvelous introduction to the historical seidr: http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/seidhr.shtml

Diana Paxson's website: http://www.hrafnar.org/articles.html

Her article about recovering oracular practice: http://www.hrafnar.org/seidh.html

An essay by kvedulf Gundarsson: http://www.scribd.com/cosmic_soul/d/...-and-Shamanism

Jordsvin's seidr bibliography: http://home.earthlink.net/~jordsvin/...bliography.htm (it should be noted that not all of these books are worth their weight in salt. but he seems to list them for the sake of giving people a chance to read them and decide for themselves)

And Bil Linzie's site, for interest; even though he doesn't really talk about seidr itself, and more about Germanic heathenry, but he does mention his own practice at times: http://www.angelfire.com/nm/seidhman/index.html

Hope it helps a little
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Old 24-03-2012, 05:09 PM
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Wow, this is going to help a bit all right. Thanks. I will read, and then be back with more questions no doubt :)
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Old 24-03-2012, 05:18 PM
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Wow, this is going to help a bit all right. Thanks. I will read, and then be back with more questions no doubt :)
You're welcomed!
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Old 24-03-2012, 08:03 PM
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Well, after reading some and skimming the rest it seems the first link had most to offer. After comparing what the volves and seidrs were doing it seems clear to me that what I can do comes under the seidrmann's cloak - journeying, healing, affecting minds. It has a lot in common with shamanism. I intend to look further into this. The main thing I can't do that seidrmen were capable of was channeling, but even without that there's a lot I might be able to learn more about. Pity there's few books from the viking age :) Actually I might go straight to the spirits for this.
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Old 30-03-2012, 06:28 PM
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Greetings WhiteWarrior:

My heritage is 3/4 Nordic--German/Swede (with the largest portion being Swedish).

The Volva--were tribal High-Priestesses that traveled from place to place (usually accompanied by their Priestesses--the Disir). The Priestess would sing the Volva into a trance--during which--she would predict the welfare of the tribe through the Seasons of the coming Year--including (primarily) how MotherNature would effect their fortunes--which were dependent upon Her good-will as the majority of AncientTribes were nomadic and (of course) at the mercy of the Elements.

The association with ill-fate stems from the fact that they were in the service of Freyja--(the WarriorMotherGoddess and sometimes Crone) and were charged with the deliverance of Her KarmicJustice to any who were deserving.

Peace and Love on your path to discovering the Mysteries...

Blessed be...
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Old 30-03-2012, 08:17 PM
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The association with ill-fate stems from the fact that they were in the service of Freyja--(the WarriorMotherGoddess and sometimes Crone) and were charged with the deliverance of Her KarmicJustice to any who were deserving.
Can you clarify what you mean by this?
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Old 31-03-2012, 06:25 PM
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Greetings Animus27:

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Can you clarify what you mean by this?


I'ld say it is fairly self-explanitory. What part confuses you--(perhaps I can help)?
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