one for All or all for you?

Originally Posted by Internal Queries

right right right but what i'm asking is what is one's main focus? like ... when engaging in the "Law of Attraction" or the "create your own reality" energy does one seek personal gratification or gestalten consensus? the focus is different so the energy and the way it is enaged is different.

I think we get caught up in both, especially when our personal gratification includes others in the equation.

[Internal Queries]

Originally Posted by Lazarus72

It can be seen 'your' mind is assumed here. It's subtle, but initiates a conceptual cycle.

expand on this, please?

[Lazarus72]

Originally Posted by Internal Queries

expand on this, please?

I'd really rather not, lol. It's extremely difficult for Me to articulate on My abstract notions at the moment, and I've got a nice steak to cook !! ..... I might get back to You later, hehe.


..... I see it as having to do with the nature of objectification, moreover that 'The mind' being transcendental refers to that which cannot be grasped by 'your mind'. Because your mind arises from that, or ultimately is no other than that. Urrghh, it's gettin messy already.

[Lazarus72]

Hey, hope I haven't killed your nice thread here InQy by rushing in all half cocked. Really the nature of mind is a prize grey area for me,
.... amongst a plethora of other grey area topics I might add, hehe.

So, After looking at the OP again, and Your subsequent post about focus, I'm wondering if the query was mainly concerned with probing folks level of conscious understanding of their intent and motivation in their interactions, rather than an actual inquiry into the nature of the phenom mind it-self .... ??

I probably unnecessarily overcomplicated.



Anyway, I think what I was trying to get at was;

'The Mind' or Buddha nature - Our collective essential nature (timeless aware-space) ........ that 'your mind' (conscious temporal thought based individuated self) arises from, subtly becomes 'your mind', when Mind is objectified by conceptualisation.
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Yep thats bout as clear as mud even to me, hehe.



It's tricky, I been trying all afternoon just to get a handle on what I originally meant, lol.


I might just put stuff up.

[Lazarus72]

Lol, yeah it's a doozy this one.

I've decided I can't even get a handle on the crux of the question now (though I sense its a good one), let alone the answer !!

I'm gonna sleep on it.

[Solace733]

Hmm in all honesty? both... I may visualize health, happiness, marital bliss, our home being built etc. however, i also visualize healing for others, the world, animals, nature, etc. balance is key. And i find with the self serving creations, intention is definately a factor because our house built will make hubby happy too and it would free up funds for charities instead of paying rent and a mortgage right now kind of thing, and with health i am able to do more for others, and marital bliss creates more love from the power of two to reach out more to those in need. Whereas when i am visualizing for people, places, and things outside of myself it naturally comes back to me anyway as i feel uplifted, healed, and energized so i believe both coincide and are essentially part of the same whole. -just my two cents..

p.s. for me personally, i am happier and more content when everyone around me is too.... peace will always trump selfish desires with me at least.

Originally Posted by Internal Queries

...what i'm asking is what is one's main focus? like ... when engaging in the "Law of Attraction" or the "create your own reality" energy does one seek personal gratification or gestalten consensus? the focus is different so the energy and the way it is enaged is different.

The main focus presumes that there is separation between self’s interests & the Universe’s interests. This can exist, but isn’t necessarily so.

As we continually expand our consciousness, appreciating our Oneness, our personal interests & Best Highest Purpose become much closer, so there is often really no difference or very little difference between our personal interest & BHP. Things that are positive that we desire & may use the Law of Attraction about can also be for the Best Highest Purpose.

For instance, we may wish that we have a life where we are happy, fulfilled & don’t lack for anything, but don’t we wish that for everyone? This is desirable. We must first create this for our self to be of any real use to helping others create this for their self. This is very different that if one attempts to use the Law of Attraction for things that would be excessive & greedy such as over the top luxury goods.

There is sooooo much stuff out there that attempts to make us feel bad or guilty about being personally gratified. Gratification is someone having pleasure or satisfaction. This isn’t inherently a bad or inappropriate thing.

The idea that we are separated from the higher energies goes waaaaaay back. It has been a mainstay of organized religion, western & eastern ones for millennia. We are all interconnected, active partners w/ the Universe, so our personal interests aren’t as separate as we might imagine.

[Lazarus72]

I might just put stuff up.

Just to clarify, I meant, when I can come up with anything that might help portray my ideas on the nature of mind, I'll post them here.

At the moment the subject seems to just result in an increasingly frenzied feedback loop for me, hehe.

Today, and after reading the other responses I'm going for both and neither

[Squatchit]

Originally Posted by Lazarus72

I might just put stuff up.

And I thought you were talking about shelves...

[andrew g]

Originally Posted by Internal Queries

right right right but what i'm asking is what is one's main focus? like ... when engaging in the "Law of Attraction" or the "create your own reality" energy does one seek personal gratification or gestalten consensus? the focus is different so the energy and the way it is enaged is different.

I would like to pick all the options too but practically speaking I dont pick them all in exactly the same moment.

Ideally, I would prefer my attention to be on the reality that I am creating because I think that is the most empowered and joyful way, but I notice that there are occasions when its helpful for me to go the other way and bring my attention to the collectively created nature of reality. Particularly if I want to find compassion, patience, forgiveness or understanding.

I see what you are asking as very similar to.....free will or no free will. So in the same way, ideally I would like to live as if there is free will, but I notice that there are occasions when its helpful for me to go the other way and bring my attention to the infinitely interconnecting nature of all things (no free will).