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12-06-2019, 05:45 AM
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"A new command I give to you;
That you love one another, as I have loved you."
John 13
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"I believe there are two sides to the phenomena known as death. This side where we live, and the other side, where we shall continue to live.
Eternity does not start with death.
We are in eternity now." - Norman Vincent Peale
"There is no place in this new kind of physics for both the field and matter, for the field is the only reality." - A. Einstein
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12-06-2019, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Morpheus
"A new command I give to you;
That you love one another, as I have loved you."
John 13
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Love is spontaneous and cannot come on the order of another.... |
12-06-2019, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Honza
It certainly feels that way.
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God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
The paradox of being in Christ and Christ being in you, means you look no further than your own conscience awareness to fellowship with Christ who is you, that is the God you can't see, your I AM, and the unknown God of effects men worship as god.
And the saying attributed to Christ that he will say to those looking in effect/appearance he never knew them because they couldn't receive him being them. 1 Cor 3:16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
The natural mind can't go there, that's why the reconciliation of the world we see as bonkers needs to be reconciled in our conscience first through revelation from within, then the effects will follow in like manner, ‘Physician, heal thyself’ Luke 4:23. 2Cor 13:5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
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12-06-2019, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Zeke55
God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
The paradox of being in Christ and Christ being in you, means you look no further than your own conscience awareness to fellowship with Christ who is you, that is the God you can't see, your I AM, and the unknown God of effects men worship as god.
And the saying attributed to Christ that he will say to those looking in effect/appearance he never knew them because they couldn't receive him being them. 1 Cor 3:16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
The natural mind can't go there, that's why the reconciliation of the world we see as bonkers needs to be reconciled in our conscience first through revelation from within, then the effects will follow in like manner, ‘Physician, heal thyself’ Luke 4:23. 2Cor 13:5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
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' Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.'
If those who lead you say to you: ‘Look, the kingdom is in the sky!’ then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you: ‘It is in the sea,’ then the fishes will precede you.
Rather, the kingdom is inside of you and outside of you.”
“When you come to know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will realize that you are the children of the living Father. But if you do not come to know yourselves, then you exist in poverty, and you are poverty.”
Gospel of Thomas.
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12-06-2019, 07:48 AM
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Master
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Originally Posted by sky123
Love is spontaneous and cannot come on the order of another....
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The kind of Live that is involved with the faith, which the Lord was referring to, is not something you are cognisant of, sky.
He was speaking to His disciples.
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"I believe there are two sides to the phenomena known as death. This side where we live, and the other side, where we shall continue to live.
Eternity does not start with death.
We are in eternity now." - Norman Vincent Peale
"There is no place in this new kind of physics for both the field and matter, for the field is the only reality." - A. Einstein
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12-06-2019, 08:02 AM
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Master
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Originally Posted by Morpheus
The kind of Live that is involved with the faith, which the Lord was referring to, is not something you are cognisant of, sky.
He was speaking to His disciples.
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Yes I know who he was speaking too, but it makes no difference really. You cannot command/order etc: to love anyone or others to love you.
Love is inherently free, a force of nature. It cannot be bought or sold, or ordered. You cannot make someone love you/others nor can you prevent it. |
12-06-2019, 03:57 PM
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Master
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Originally Posted by sky123
Yes I know who he was speaking too, but it makes no difference really. You cannot command/order etc: to love anyone or others to love you.
Love is inherently free, a force of nature. It cannot be bought or sold, or ordered. You cannot make someone love you/others nor can you prevent it.
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Patently wrong. What kind of love are you referring to?
"Eros"?
"Agape" love refers to the selfless, spiritual love for fellow humanity.
Do you think you could understand that?
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"I believe there are two sides to the phenomena known as death. This side where we live, and the other side, where we shall continue to live.
Eternity does not start with death.
We are in eternity now." - Norman Vincent Peale
"There is no place in this new kind of physics for both the field and matter, for the field is the only reality." - A. Einstein
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12-06-2019, 05:05 PM
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Master
Join Date: Sep 2015
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Originally Posted by Morpheus
Patently wrong. What kind of love are you referring to?
"Eros"?
"Agape" love refers to the selfless, spiritual love for fellow humanity.
Do you think you could understand that?
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Yes I know there are different types of love and they cannot be commanded or ordered, they are natural responses, they are given freely not by order..... |
12-06-2019, 08:43 PM
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The word commandment in John 13:34 in the Greek is:
Entole = injunction or authoritative prescription.
From the root word:
Entellomai = To enjoin
From the base root:
Tello = To set out for a goal
So I would say the goal is Love or Love is the prescription.
It is not like Love each other or drop dead.
It is The Way of Christ and there are outcomes from either Way, Love or lack of Love.
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12-06-2019, 09:55 PM
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Master
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Originally Posted by sky123
Yes I know there are different types of love and they cannot be commanded or ordered, they are natural responses, they are given freely not by order.....
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On earth, the eternal Lord and master was the teacher, instructor, and an example to His disciples.
And then to all who would hear Him in the testimonial scripture.
All you've said above is that no, you don't understand that kind of love, called, "agape".
Frame it anyway you like in, "skyspeak".
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"I believe there are two sides to the phenomena known as death. This side where we live, and the other side, where we shall continue to live.
Eternity does not start with death.
We are in eternity now." - Norman Vincent Peale
"There is no place in this new kind of physics for both the field and matter, for the field is the only reality." - A. Einstein
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