Radical Non-duality (Meeting) Message

[Ewwerrin]

#10

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A: So knowing this is body happening (pointing at self), is the problem.
Q: It's just
A: When there's no individual left, there's just happening.
Q: So how does that, falling away, occur.
A: You missed the beginning.
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Q: That's alright.
A: That's alright.
Q: I went to the wrong (inaudible)
A: We can go back. We can go back around; It doesn't happen.
Q: Ok, I've had glimpses
A: Ye. Yeah.
Q: Where I would call it
A: You didn't have them.
Q: No.
A: You, you stopped happening and there was a glimpse of what is.
Q: There was verbing, there was seeing, there was walking,
A: Yeah.
Q: Uhm, I've had
A: You didn't have them
Q: There's been. But then the perception of the body and the person comes back.
A: Yeah.
Q: So is, uhm, your perception of that is gone.
A: Yeah.
Q: How does that happen?
A: In the same way that it happened there (pointing at questioner)
Q: So it to (inaudible)
A: How did that happen?
Q: I was in a meeting with paul heatherman,
A: yeah
Q: that's another teacher
A: Yeah. I'm not a teacher.
Q: a couple of times. and it went for 4 days, at ones.
A: Yeah.
Q: But then it just came back.
A: Yeah.
Q: And now it's back, or whatever.
A: Hmm.
Q: So it's come back with a complete disinterest in this
A: Yeah.
Q: Like Complete disinterest.
A: It'll do anything to survive.
Q: Yeah, it's very interesting.
A: So if it says "I'm disinterested", it'll think that'll help it survive.
Q: Yeah... So just this, it just happens when it's suppose to happen, or?
A: It doesn't happen.
Q: Yeah.
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Q: Yeah. I know.
A: It didn't happen to you.
Q: No.
A: Your memory of it is not what it was like.
Q: M-m-mhhmm (laughter). Ok. Interesting. I know I wasn't there.
A: Yeah. This is, this is that. This is you not being there. This is that.
That didn't happen in the past.
Q: Ok.
A: This is that. It doesn't go away.
There's an experience that seems to come back to cover over what was revealed.
Q: Yeah.
A: But this is that. Looking for it, or wanting to know it, or feeling like you are there, is the dream that covers it over.
The individual is determined, and I'm not sure what Mister Heatherman talks about, I don't think it's the same thing exactly.
But, here, it's obvious that the individual will always put those experiences into a story, because it wants to understand what happened, and it wants to have it back.
It's not a story. It was the end of the appearance making sense.
And nobody knows what that's like.
Q: Mmh.
A: (nods)

Q: When you said people will do anything to survive. What do you mean.
A: The individual. It wants to survive. That's it's whole, that's it's whole story. It just doesn't wanna die.
Q: What does surviving mean.
A: Not dying.
Q: Does it want to die?
A: No it doesn't wanna die. That's it's whole story. That's it's whole thing. That's the big, that's the big problem in it's life. Seperation is death. And it's trying to overcome seperation. So it's trying to overcome death.
Q: So it will always keep itself alife.
A: It will do anything it can to survive. It's on very shaky ground tho. It always is.
Q: Is it?
A: Oh, completely. It's not there.
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A: It's not real. All of it's claims are false.
All of it's claims about what is happening, are false. Completely false. Completely unreal.
Shaky ground heh.
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Q: Does a part of it, know it? That it's unreal?
A: You could sort of say that. You could sort of say that. It's not, it's not. I woulden't say it's really true, but there is something about it, where it feels an insecurity about it's isness.
Which is one of its, anxious caring? you know what I mean?
Like it's really trying?
Q: Yeah.
A: Yeah, that comes out of that sense of insecurity about it's reality.
Q: hmm.
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[Ewwerrin]

#11

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Q: (inaudible) is just a game of (inaudible) mind stuff
A: This not just the mind, it's an experience, I don't know what the mind is anyway.
But it's an experience. That's the problem. It's a physical experience of there being (points at self) a ghost in the machine that has buttons and levers making everything happen and keeping everything in control.
Q: Ok.
A: It can take this sentence and put it into a box, which it says it can understand.
Q: Alright.
A: Yeah. And it's doing that constantly. It's exhausting.
Q: So (inaudible) self of this not being, is what is.
A: If that's what's happening there (points at questioner), then that's what's happening. But if you're trying to describe what it's like here (points at self), there's no awareness.
Q: Ok.
A: Of this being the way it is. It's just the way it is. Nobody knows that. It's not an awareness.
Q: Can it be described somewhat as
A: No.
Q: what is?
A: Well, I mean. This is doing its best to describe it, but the description is not the reality.
Q: (inaudible) exactly. ok.
A: It is the reality and it's not the reality. Every word,
Q: yes.
A: is everything.
Q: Yeah. (inaudible) complete awakeness is the realisation (inaudible) it's just a dream.
A: No. Not here. (points at self)
Q: No, no, not. Yeah.
A: "Here" (points at self) "here", there is no "here."
Q: There is no here.
A: But it is the end of the dream. No body, nobody wakes up.
Q: Exactly. Ok.
A: The dream is the dreamers own dream. When the dream ends, no one is left to wake up.
There's just no dreamer and no dream.

Q: Can you say that again, please?
A: The dreamer...
Q: The dream is the
A: The dreamer is the dreams own dream.
Q: Yeah.
A: The dreamer and the dream are the same thing. So when the dream ends, the dreamer ends. And nobody wakes up.
Q: ok.

Q: You know there is a title of a science and nonduality conference. year 6 or 7 years ago. Which is, you probably remember this, is; "Who is driving the dream bus?"
A: Oh yeah, ye yeah.
Q: Do you think that's a relevant question? You think (inaudible) can look at that?
A: Yeah, I mean, it's just, you know... Who's driving the dream bus.
Q: Yeah. I'm curious (inaudible).
A: Hmm. No body.
Q: (inaudible) no ones driving it, then how did it get here. (inaudible)
A: Well, it didn't get here.
Q: Yeah.
A: The individual is dependent upon consequential continuity. So it always sees everything as the result or the consequence and the cause of something else.
That's a dream.
Q: Mhm.
A: This doesn't actually come from anywhere. I'm talking about whats happening.
I'm talking about this, isn't actually a consequence of you coming.
You didn't come here... Coming here, is what is, or this, appearing as the memory of coming here.
Doesn't prove that anything happened.
Q: Coming here (inaudible) memory (inaudible) coming here
A: So, what is. If you remember coming here.
Q: Ok.
A: That's what is, appearing as a memory of coming here.
Q: Sure
A: It doesn't prove coming here happened.
Q: Right.
A: The individual is dependent upon, it making, it absolutely proving coming here happened, because that gives it the future, in which it wont have to die...
Q: Right. I am because I came here.
A: Exactly. (laughter) Yeah. Yeah.
"And I need to have come here, cause I need a future in which to find what I'm looking for."
Covering over, this is what's looked for.
This is the wholeness. This is the absolute. This is endlessness. Without a beginning, this is infinite.

Q: But this can't be seen.
A: No. It's not an experience.
Q: Can't be.
A: I know, it just sounds, it's very misleading, that this (points at self) sits up here and talks about it, because it sounds like this (points at self) knows or understands it. And it doesn't.
This is absolute fresh and new.
Everything that's coming from, everything that is coming out, is nothing, or no thing, just speaking. It's the same there (points at questioner).
There's just maybe something in there, that says "I'm doing it."
Q: It's so frustrating to hear this, because
A: Yeah. It's horrible.
Q: I can't
A: Yeah, you'll never get it. It's the worsed message. It's the absolute worsed thing that could be told to you.
If you knew what's being said here, you'd never come.
Q: Hhhhh...
A: Nobody wants to hear this.
Q: (inaudible) now I want it.
A: You do NOT want it. It's unwantable.
To want it, would mean that there's seperation to it. There isn't. There's no distance to it.
You can't want what's happening. How could you want what's already happening?
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[Ewwerrin]

#12

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Q: Is the dream part of it? Is the dream part of everything?
A: Absolute, well it is everything. The dream is also everything, it's just the experience isn't that.
The experience is, what, uuuhm, disatisfying.
Q: Right. Suffering.
A: Yeah... Allot of that suffering is the expectation that something needs to happen. And it's not gonna get it.
It doesn't need to have, it's a false claim... It'll never happen. You'll never get it.
Nobody ever does.
Q: Mhm...
A: What you're looking for, is sitting on a chair. How can you look for, or find, what's already happening?
And the reason you're looking for it, is cause you think you know you're sitting on a chair.
Which covers over the reality, the spacious aliveness of sitting on a chair...
Whatever appears is simply real and unreal.
It's simply empty.

Q: (inaudible)
A: Excuse me?
Q: I guess I'm getting (inaudible) past being... What is now being, being the past being brought in to what is. It woulden't exist if it weren't for now, being brought in to the now.
A: So this (pointing at self) doesn't see a now.
For here, for this (pointing at self), there is no now. There's only what appears.
Cause if there were a now, there would be something that wasn't now. And now would be the place you should be, and then there would be a place you shoulden't be.
And that's not what's being suggested here.
Q: Mmh.
A: There is no where and no thing that isn't already fulfillment and completeness, that isn't spacious aliveness...
Including the individual. Which is the kicker for the individual...

Q: A few sentences back you said this is real and unreal.
A: Yeah.
Q: So, those two things cancel eachother out?
A: No.
Q: So what so you mean by real and unreal.
A: Uhm, spacious aliveness. Empty fullness. It is and isn't.
You could also say, nothing is real and nothing is unreal.
It's pointing to the fact that nothing can be held on to, nothing can be known.
Q: Oh, ok.
A: AHAHA! AHAHAHAHAAA! That is so sweet! EhhhhhhAHA! Isn't that funny how something sorta click and yeaw, hhhhAHAAH! hehe
Q: Why didn't you say that earlier.
A: Why didn't you say that earlier, well THAT would makes sense.
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Q: So in that story, nothing really fascilitated the falling away. It just fell away.
A: No. Right. Well, it doesn't actually. The experience of the individual
Q: Mhm
A: Is a row, or a conglomeration of false claims. Those claims are false.
Part of the claim is, it's real, and so it would need to fall away, for this to be what it is. That's false.
This is already what it is. This is already what's looked for. So the falling away never happens.
Q: Yeah.
A: I think there might be an expectation there, that the experience would happen again.
Q: Yeah.
A: And that's what's looked for. But that's just the same, the same, false claim of the individual that this needs to look in a certain way.
That there needs to be something in particular happening for this to be what it is.
This is never not what it is. This is never not the absolute. There is nothing that appears that is not the absolute.
Q: So... There's a thought, why come here?
A: Totally! Absolutely. Good thought. Absolutely. If you've paid, you're welcome to go.
Q: No. hahaha
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A: Hahahah, hhhhhahaha, haha.
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Q: But it still happens, it just happens.
A: But that's the same as ev, all there is, is what seems to happen.
Q: Yeah.
A: Cause you could also say, why not come here?
Q: Well, this just happens.
A: This just happens. Absolutely!
Q: Like you think you're gonna do this and then this happens.
A: "Well, yeah, I think I'm gonna do everything, I'm gonna decide this"
Q: Ye yeah.
A: "I decided to come here, I decided to use the gps and get lost, I decided ewle." yeah.
I didn't do anything! I don't have a thought, I never had a thought.
Q: Yeah.
A: I don't think.
Q: hmhm.
A: The "I" doesn't think. It takes responsibility, it claims certain thoughts and creates a dynamic around which the thoughts turn around it.
But it has No power At All. It's a reaction.
Q: Conundrum, is, it's like there's nothing I can do.
A: No. No no no, sorry. There is no "I".
Q: Ok. But there is nothing to do.
A: Nothing needs to happen.
Q: Nothing needs to be done.
A: Everything that seems to happen, is the absolute which is looked for.
Q: Mm... And there's this (inaudible) then what do I do?
A: Which is the absolute, which is the absolute appearing as that.
Q: Interesting.
(laughter)
Q: Ok.
A: There is no way to get away from what you're looking for.
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